Junior 800m World Record Holder's Coach/Dad Says Athlete's need to train more traditionally

Frumunda wrote:

ComeOn wrote:

He's an early developer like so many other top British 800m boys.

His dad shouldn't be talking with such arrogance about a kid running 1:49.

When he's in the senior ranks we will see if he gets past 1:45/1:46.

It's a different ball game to take a talented junior to win international medals at a senior level, dealing with all the variables and the rounds Vs getting a talented junior to run some quick times as an under 17.

Ok what you gotta say now?

Good point

17 years old 1.45.6

on traditional training as espoused by his father and Jakob's old man and demonstrated by ovett, coe, cram

old 800m guy wrote:

Frumunda wrote:

Ok what you gotta say now?

Good point

17 years old 1.45.6

I hope he doesn't get into too much mileage and deviate from speed strength training too much. Back in the 1970's with Lydiard we were 800m runners putting in 70 miles per week. There was a disconnect because we competed against runners with pure speed and talent who could run 46 point for 400m and they never ran more than 25 miles a week if that. I think the true potential in the 800m has yet to be seen. The 800m specialist of the near future may be a runner who maxes out at 35 miles a week and never gets too far from quality miles.

on traditional training as espoused by his father and Jakob's old man and demonstrated by ovett, coe, cram

Didn't Amos run 1.41 as a junior?

yep and once again earlier today.

Jgt11 wrote:

yep and once again earlier today.

Nobody in the top 10 all time got their best 800m past age 24 (Coe being the oldest at 24 and 9 months). The range is from 18 and 4 months to 24 and 9 months. Reaching peak at age 21/22 is sort of the norm for top guys.

Amos got very close to his best yesterday (0.16 off) at age “25 and 4 months”.

That’s really old to peak at 800m. Even Johnny Gray. who was a late peaker, was “only” 25 and 2 months when he ran his best 800m.

You have to go all the way down to #19 (Mahkloufi) to find somebody who peaked later than 25 and 4 months.

Could Amos really be 25 y.o. after all?

It is not impossible to see Burgins hit his lifetime peak next year at the Olympics (assuming he recovers from his injuries). He will be in the age peak range.

Guess they’ve been training traditionally

Everyone here thought Amos was 25 in the London Olympic final. So he must be 32 now. 32 running 1:41

That is the logical explanation

ex-runner wrote:

Everyone here thought Amos was 25 in the London Olympic final. So he must be 32 now. 32 running 1:41

That is the logical explanation

25 is past peak age in the 800m, so that would have been impressive for Amos to be that old in London and run 1:41.7. There is no way that he was that old. Even if he was 22, that would make him 29 now, so he was probably not 22. With His recent performance, it is more likely that he was indeed 18 (maybe 19, but that is already stretching. Running 1:41 at 26 has never been seen, even more so for someone who has been at the top for 7 years already).

Gggggg wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

Everyone here thought Amos was 25 in the London Olympic final. So he must be 32 now. 32 running 1:41

That is the logical explanation

25 is past peak age in the 800m, so that would have been impressive for Amos to be that old in London and run 1:41.7. There is no way that he was that old. Even if he was 22, that would make him 29 now, so he was probably not 22. With His recent performance, it is more likely that he was indeed 18 (maybe 19, but that is already stretching. Running 1:41 at 26 has never been seen, even more so for someone who has been at the top for 7 years already).

Sarcasm.

I remember posters here saying no way is Amos 18 in 2012 and stating he must be at least 23/24/25 and that we would see in his development that he is done.

Clearly, he is just a talent that ran to hospitalisation in 2012 and proved he is a 1:41 guy again yesterday at 25. Amos will threaten the WR

Amos was probably 21 or 22 when he ran 1:41 in 2012. That would put him at a still reasonable 29 or 30 now.

The previous standard-bearer for longevity in the 800m at a top level might have been Johnny Gray, who ran 1:42.96 in 1984, his first sub 1:43, and his last one was in 1992, an 8 year gap. He was 24 for the first one, 32 for the last one.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/johnny-gray-1018

Rudisha was actually very good for a long time as well. He might still have something but he ran 1:42.01 in 2009 and as late as 2016, seven years later, ran 1:42.15. In between, he obviously ran 1:41 and 1:40.91.

Wilson Kipketer would also be among the best. He was 22 when he broke 1:43 and last did it when he was listed at 29.

But Amos obviously went the longest between 1:41s. It looked like he was done at various times as well, so it's remarkable.

zxcvzcvx wrote:

Amos was probably 21 or 22 when he ran 1:41 in 2012. That would put him at a still reasonable 29 or 30 now.

The previous standard-bearer for longevity in the 800m at a top level might have been Johnny Gray, who ran 1:42.96 in 1984, his first sub 1:43, and his last one was in 1992, an 8 year gap. He was 24 for the first one, 32 for the last one.

https://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/johnny-gray-1018

Rudisha was actually very good for a long time as well. He might still have something but he ran 1:42.01 in 2009 and as late as 2016, seven years later, ran 1:42.15. In between, he obviously ran 1:41 and 1:40.91.

Wilson Kipketer would also be among the best. He was 22 when he broke 1:43 and last did it when he was listed at 29.

But Amos obviously went the longest between 1:41s. It looked like he was done at various times as well, so it's remarkable.

I'm gonna wait until he runs 1:42 in another 4 years time and see how old you think he is then.

There will be no Kenyan winning the 800 in Doha, and likely Tokyo as well

Does Amos really think that we don't belive he is on something.

This is all you need to understand.

Elliott had the talent, the coaching, and the brains to put it all together.

He was super fit, no weaknesses in his frame. Ran hard, then got out of it when he'd nothing less to win.

Track will eventually get to where cycling is. Where its food, conditions, and power to weight. Drop a pound, lose a few watts, but the net is faster.

The most important thing though is the mental ability to put it all together.

Nothing magic.

Burgin is not the Junior 800m world record holder. That would be Nijel Amos 1:41.73.

zxcvzcvx wrote:

Amos was probably 21 or 22 when he ran 1:41 in 2012.

Amos was 18 when he ran 1:41.73 in the 2012 Olympics.

codaayyee wrote:

There will be no Kenyan winning the 800 in Doha, and likely Tokyo as well

It's quite possible that no Kenyan will win gold in the 800,1500, 5000, or 10000 in Doha or Tokyo.

I certainly don't see Tim as anything close to being a certainty in the 1500, maybe a slight favorite, but I think Jakob will likely be ahead of him in Tokyo.

Stap wrote:

Stop talking about the past. Certain ethnicities love to talk about the past.

North African here, yes we do.

Gggggg wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

25 is past peak age in the 800m, so that would have been impressive for Amos to be that old in London and run 1:41.7. There is no way that he was that old. Even if he was 22, that would make him 29 now, so he was probably not 22. With His recent performance, it is more likely that he was indeed 18 (maybe 19, but that is already stretching. Running 1:41 at 26 has never been seen, even more so for someone who has been at the top for 7 years already).

25 isn’t peak age for the 800, it’s likely 27-28. Nick and Duane Solomon were both In their late 20s at the 2012 Olympic final when they ran 1:42.