post-college local guy -- do I need a TUE?

adder-lol wrote:

I just got diagnosed with ADHD, and prescribed adderall.

Almost everyone has ADHD and could get diagnosed if they want.

adder-lol wrote:

I know that this is a banned substance, but that most people on prescription adderall can get TUEs. Now I'm a post-college guy, locally competitive, but never been tested, never done a national level race.

If I wanted to, I could get away with doping, no problem, but I don't. I want to go by the book whether I'm tested or not, But since I'm not in college and not elite, there's no governing body to submit a TUE to. So do I not need to?

Nope.

adder-lol wrote:

How does this work?

Step 1: Do nothing.

Step 2: There is no step 2.

adder-lol wrote:

Second question: is adderall just banned in competition, or also OOC?

Really? Now you're worried about getting put on the out-of-competition pool too? Don't flatter yourself.

Dude, so if I just started taking EPO, you'd be chill with it? Look, I'm not expecting to be tested. I'm not planning on being audited either, but that doesn't mean I cheat on my taxes.

adder-lol wrote:

But since I'm not in college and not elite, there's no governing body to submit a TUE to. So do I not need to? How does this work?

You can submit your TUE application to WADA. The application is on the WADA website and looks to be relatively straightforward. I did read somewhere that the whole thing turns into a fairly expensive process, so I am not sure it would be worth it.

adder-lol wrote:

Dude, so if I just started taking EPO, you'd be chill with it? Look, I'm not expecting to be tested. I'm not planning on being audited either, but that doesn't mean I cheat on my taxes.

You can't "plan on not being audited." It could always happen.

OK, so just to confirm all this, is adderall legal at all times with a prescription? It sure looks like that from the WADA website, but I've always had a lot of trouble reading that site

I think I have ADHD. What's this thread about again?

That was me been witty there :)

Banana Bread wrote:

That was me been witty there :)

You know you've hit rock bottom when you feel the need to explain your own cringe-worthy dad joke.

It shows that I'm not only funny, but willing to cater for the slower audiences here, who might not get the joke. I'm trying to find ways to be one of the most popular poster's on letsrun. I'm not a dad by the way.

adder-lol wrote:

If I wanted to, I could get away with doping, no problem, but I don't. I want to go by the book whether I'm tested or not, But since I'm not in college and not elite, there's no governing body to submit a TUE to. So do I not need to? How does this work?

You are definitely supposed to apply for a TUE but I suspect that very few people in your position bother doing it. I'm pretty curious about how the process would go if you went through it. I don't know if it's your sort of thing, but maybe you could write a freelance article for letsrun about what it's like for average-joe to go through the process. I'd read it.

3hr-marathoner wrote:

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You are definitely supposed to apply for a TUE but I suspect that very few people in your position bother doing it. I'm pretty curious about how the process would go if you went through it. I don't know if it's your sort of thing, but maybe you could write a freelance article for letsrun about what it's like for average-joe to go through the process. I'd read it.

I figured someone would weigh in with this 'you're supposed to ' idea but

Speaker is dead-on. Look, no one governs running. USATF regulates its membership. IAAF regulates member federations (i.e. USATF) and their individual members. NFL regulates its employees, as does NBA, etc. Anyone NOT affiliated with any of these is NOT bound by their regulations. Your playground basketball game is not subject to NBA regulation. The NBA only regulates itself and has no authority outside of that. FIFA does not regulate your pickup soccer game nor your beer-league. It DOES have authority over competition it organizes and its member federations but it does NOT regulate 'soccer'. There is a lot of soccer played worldwide outside the auspices of FIFA and the is a lot of running completely unaffiliated with IAAF and WADA.

I am not a USATF member and never agreed to their membership criteria. I am welcome to use adderall or EPO. NFL rules may prohibit these but their rules do not apply to me and I have never agreed to adhere to them. Not have I agreed to USATF's membership conditions. Have you? If you have signed something agreeing to not juice you are contractually obligated not to. Otherwise, just like every elderly anemia patient (among whom EPO is popular), the rules of various sports organizations of which you are not a member do not apply.

So, to answer your question to an earlier poster, yeah, I am cool with you using EPO. Show me where you agreed not to. I haven't.

adder-lol wrote:

OK, so just to confirm all this, is adderall legal at all times with a prescription? It sure looks like that from the WADA website, but I've always had a lot of trouble reading that site

There is no TUE for something you can only take out of competition. You're either allowed to take it or you aren't based on the TUE. I've never heard of restrictions being placed on that.

Adderall is banned in-competition but not out of competition. Don't feel like you need to wait for a TUE to start taking it if you are just training right now. Don't plan on competing if you want to follow the rules.

You can apply for a TUE through USADA here:

https://www.usada.org/substances/tue/apply/

Download appropriate forms (IAAF; ADD), go to your doctor, submit, wait for review.

adder-lol wrote:

OK, so just to confirm all this, is adderall legal at all times with a prescription? It sure looks like that from the WADA website, but I've always had a lot of trouble reading that site

No. I'm not sure why you trust a random on the internet instead of finding out for yourself:

Speaker of Hard Truths wrote: You can't "plan on not being audited." It could always happen.

he was not planning on not being audited, he was not planning on being audited. they are not the same thing. obviously. and that really is the hard truth.

Cheers.

Dear Original Poster:

You ABSOLUTELY need a TUE. This is the EXACT situation that lead to Justin Gatlin's "first" drug violation. If you plan on competing in any "sanctioned" race; this is a must.

Anyone who tells you different is setting you up for failure.

Please get the TUE.

adder-lol wrote:

I just got diagnosed with ADHD, and prescribed adderall. I know that this is a banned substance, but that most people on prescription adderall can get TUEs. Now I'm a post-college guy, locally competitive, but never been tested, never done a national level race.

If I wanted to, I could get away with doping, no problem, but I don't. I want to go by the book whether I'm tested or not, But since I'm not in college and not elite, there's no governing body to submit a TUE to. So do I not need to? How does this work?

Second question: is adderall just banned in competition, or also OOC?

Are you a recreational competitor? If so, you can easily get one for Adderall. They are even giving out TUEs now for steroids, T, etc., if you're a rec competitor.

Banana Bread wrote:

That was me been witty there :)

It drew a chuckle from me. Well played young man.