When it comes to prestige the main difference is between HYP at the top vs the rest and Cornell at the bottom vs the rest.
I would say it is HYP>>>> Columbia~Penn~Dartmouth > Brown >> Cornell
When it comes to prestige the main difference is between HYP at the top vs the rest and Cornell at the bottom vs the rest.
I would say it is HYP>>>> Columbia~Penn~Dartmouth > Brown >> Cornell
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When it comes to prestige the main difference is between HYP at the top vs the rest and Cornell at the bottom vs the rest.
I would say it is HYP>>>> Columbia~Penn~Dartmouth > Brown >> Cornell
This is correct - and I'm a Cornell grad. That said, for 95% of post-UG career paths there is no difference. For the 5% of employers that do care about UG prestige (investment banking, top tier consulting, principal investing) there is a chasm between HYP (+Wharton) and the rest with Cornell another cut below the rest of the pack. If you're not interested in one of those fields, then pick whichever one you like the best based on major, location, professors, classmates, etc. You'll still have a shot at those fields from the lower Ivies (or Northwestern, Duke, Williams, etc.), but the path will be much easier from HYP (or Stanford or MIT).
Source: Cornell UG --> top consulting --> MIT MBA + HKS MPP --> principal investing
Let’s face it: Cornell > Princeton >>> Harvard for engineering. It completely depends on the program.
Sure, you will impress people who are the academic equivalent to hobbyjoggers if you go to Harvard. You don’t have to be very smart to know that it’s a good school. But it is way more nuanced if you want to go to a school that has the best program for you and the best employment/internship prospects.
https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate?_page=2
Penn (Donald, Jr. , Ivanka, and Tiffany) > Harvard (Jared) > Columbia (John G.) > rest.
Very true. Which is why you usually see the very top student athletes interested in ivies shoot for HYP or Penn Wharton. I would say the rest of Penn, Columbia are next up, followed by Brown/ Dartmouth and finally Cornell.
Lot of Penn grads on here.
Look, I'm sorry your degree is indistinguishable from Penn State. But it's the bottom tier. Be grateful Cornell keeps you from the floor.
gselge1 wrote:
This is demonstrably false. You must either be trolling hard or have no idea about the ivies. Penn below Brown and Dartmouth?!? In what alternate reality? All rankings, yields , cross admit splits, endowments clearly show otherwise.
Harvard
Yale, Princeton
Columbia, Penn
Brown, Dartmouth
Cornell
It's hard to accept for people who want to believe these are all the same tier of school. But just like every NFL quarterback is a good quarterback, only some are elite. Harvard is Tom Brady. Penn is Tom Savage. Cornell is whoever starts for the Browns.
If most people don't even know your school is in the Ivy League and think it's actually Penn State, then you know it's not elite.
Yeah, but which one has the best Gender Studies program?
All of these schools are chock full of morons. Most of admissions is based on economics and maintaining the status quo, with those rare occasions of a student admitted on pure intellect and capability. A 36 or 1600 and 4.0 (lol at weighted GPA's) is not a measure of much, but they continue to be the measures used.
The best school is the one where you don't enter post-collegiate society as a total piece of shite and you actively work to fix the current broken structure (which is a continuum rather than present statement as the structure always needs realigning). That said, no school can do this for you so think about how much debt you might incur and whether you'll realistically pay it off. Then think whether the student loan situation might be revamped. Then just proceed because there are no guarantees in life.
CKidd wrote:
Honestly, if you are competitive enough to choose, I would go to Stanford.
All of those schools are elite, but I'd live on the best coast. You're not going to end up working in a strip mall regardless--enjoy your time.
This. EOT.
Easy answer wrote:
CKidd wrote:
Honestly, if you are competitive enough to choose, I would go to Stanford.
All of those schools are elite, but I'd live on the best coast. You're not going to end up working in a strip mall regardless--enjoy your time.
This. EOT.
Except it doesn't answer the question or even attempt to.
You are dumb wrote:
Let’s face it: Cornell > Princeton >>> Harvard for engineering. It completely depends on the program.
Bingo. I turned down Caltech and Stanford to go to Cornell, because it was better in my major. So glad I made the right move!
Ummm, Cornell has several feathers in its mortarboard that many, most, or all other Ivies lack, including a veterinary school, an agriculture & life sciences school (apart from life sciences in other Cornell Schools, e.g, the College of Arts & Sciences) and a hotel administration school, for a few examples. Plus, it is setting up its sci-tech incubator campus on Roosevelt Island in New York City after beating Stanford, Columbia and others in the competition for the free land and to which one alumnus donated $350M. This will take many years to ramp up, but NYC is trying to propel Silicon Alley past Silicon Valley.
And as far as Nobel Prizes awarded to its affiliated members (either as a student, alumnus/alumna, or faculty), in the Ivy League, Cornell ranks fourth (after Harvard, Columbia and Yale) according to this article on Wikipedia which is not limited to the Ivy League:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ffiliationAccording to the article below, Cornell University has the #1 undergraduate architecture program (in the USA) and the #7 graduate architecture program:
http://www.archdaily.com/39728...e-schools/And according to the following article, Cornell University has the world's #2 Veterinary School:
https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/university-subject-rankings/top-veterinary-schools-2017Further, the food is great and the campus is gorgeous ;)
Oops, let me try that again with links that, I hope, work:
Ummm, Cornell has several feathers in its mortarboard that many, most, or all other Ivies lack, including a veterinary school, an agriculture & life sciences school (apart from life sciences in other Cornell Schools, e.g, the College of Arts & Sciences) and a hotel administration school, for a few examples. Plus, it is setting up its sci-tech incubator campus on Roosevelt Island in New York City after beating Stanford, Columbia and others in the competition for the free land and to which one alumnus donated $350M. This will take many years to ramp up, but NYC is trying to propel Silicon Alley past Silicon Valley.
And as far as Nobel Prizes awarded to its affiliated members (either as a student, alumnus/alumna, or faculty), in the Ivy League, Cornell ranks fourth (after Harvard, Columbia and Yale) according to this article on Wikipedia which is not limited to the Ivy League:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_university_affiliation
According to the article below, Cornell University has the #1 undergraduate architecture program (in the USA) and the tied (with MIT) for #2 graduate architecture program:
https://www.archdaily.com/794585/the-best-architecture-schools-in-the-us-2017
And according to the following article, Cornell University has the world's #2 Veterinary School:
Further, the food is great and the campus is gorgeous ;)
Oy, one more correction:
And as far as Nobel Prizes awarded to its affiliated members (either as a student, alumnus/alumna, or faculty), in the Ivy League, Cornell ranks third, not fourth (after Harvard and Columbia and just ahead of Yale) according to this article on Wikipedia which is not limited to the Ivy League:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_university_affiliation
Great. You can manage a hotel for dogs. Think they made a movie about that.
Ivys are certainly muchly old world, old fashioned, dry, and boring. The best R&D and R in the world is in the PACademic-9 and 5C's.
You'll get a comparable education at all of them. Harvard name will carry the most weight, although Cornell, Penn, and Princeton are stronger in most engineering fields. Grades are least inflated at Princeton, Cornell, and Columbia, and most inflated at Harvard, Yale, and Brown. Penn and Dartmouth are probably the most fun. You're mostly likely to get mugged in the area around Yale.
If you're fast enough to get recruited at Ivies, be sure to consider Duke, Georgetown, and (if you'd consider D3) MIT.
This is accurate...not the initial post. (I didn't attend, but I'm in the industry, and I work with people at these schools.)
gselge1 wrote:
This is demonstrably false. You must either be trolling hard or have no idea about the ivies. Penn below Brown and Dartmouth?!? In what alternate reality? All rankings, yields , cross admit splits, endowments clearly show otherwise.
Harvard
Yale, Princeton
Columbia, Penn
Brown, Dartmouth
Cornell
Yale is #1. But you have to be into that whole Yale thing.