I’m sure she is going to smash the record. I love to see her in action. Out there running wild and free.
I’m sure she is going to smash the record. I love to see her in action. Out there running wild and free.
except for the whole age problem in Ethiopia and Kenya...
most likely they were all older than that lol
...but then there is the facts wrote:
Great rant... except that the window to be a world class athlete is not mid 20s to late 30s. Thats what too many people on here argue.
Go ahead and look up the fastest 5k and 10k times ever run. The average age of the PR for a top 5k runner is 21 years old and many of these runners were in there prime at 18-20 years old.
Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35
Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36
Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74
Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53
Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81
Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04
Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53
Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64
Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66
Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77
Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81
Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04
Average Age 20.75 years old
The only non-age cheat on this list is Geb. Next.
my name must be entered wrote:
1 14:11.15 Tirunesh Dibaba ETH 01.06.85 1 Oslo 06.06.2008
2 14:12.59 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 1 Roma 02.06.2016
3 14:12.88 Meseret Defar ETH 19.11.83 1 Stockholm 22.07.2008
4 14:15.41 Genzebe Dibaba ETH 08.02.91 1 Saint-Denis 04.07.2015
5 14:18.37 Helen Obiri KEN 13.12.89 1 Roma 08.06.2017
6 14:20.87 Vivian Cheruiyot KEN 11.09.83 1 Stockholm 29.07.2011
so
1. 23 years
2. 24 years
3. 24 years
4. 24 years
5. 27 years
6. 27 years
So men peak at 5k early 20s and women peak mid 20s? Interesting. Thanks.
robert678 wrote:
my name must be entered wrote:
1 14:11.15 Tirunesh Dibaba ETH 01.06.85 1 Oslo 06.06.2008
2 14:12.59 Almaz Ayana ETH 21.11.91 1 Roma 02.06.2016
3 14:12.88 Meseret Defar ETH 19.11.83 1 Stockholm 22.07.2008
4 14:15.41 Genzebe Dibaba ETH 08.02.91 1 Saint-Denis 04.07.2015
5 14:18.37 Helen Obiri KEN 13.12.89 1 Roma 08.06.2017
6 14:20.87 Vivian Cheruiyot KEN 11.09.83 1 Stockholm 29.07.2011
so
1. 23 years
2. 24 years
3. 24 years
4. 24 years
5. 27 years
6. 27 years
So men peak at 5k early 20s and women peak mid 20s? Interesting. Thanks.
There's lots of other factors to consider here:
-Men don't get injured as easily and can build up mileage faster as a generalization
-Age cheating???
-Puberty enhances men right away but can cause a temporary slowdown for women
-Men might tend to push too hard in intervals at a young age, causing them to approach their potential sooner, but compromising it in the long run
Finally, someone that has recognized Geb, Bekele and Kipchoge pushed too hard too early and that's why they flamed out so early in their career. Imagine what those guys could have done if they had instead done all their 1K repeats no faster than 3:36. Anybody know what these guys are up to nowadays?
Not that simple wrote:
There's lots of other factors to consider here:
-Men don't get injured as easily and can build up mileage faster as a generalization
-Age cheating???
-Puberty enhances men right away but can cause a temporary slowdown for women
-Men might tend to push too hard in intervals at a young age, causing them to approach their potential sooner, but compromising it in the long run
She can run 14:55 for all I care. She is arrogant as a sophomore. Not a fan whatsoever. Me! Me! Me! Me!
A Real Coach wrote:
Unfortunately, we're seeing a pattern that has been repeated umpteen times. In interviews, Katelyn always repeats the same line- "I knew that the other girls hadn't done anything like the workouts I've done." She appears to gain a great deal of confidence from 1) her apparently grueling workouts, and 2) her evident superiority over the rest of the field. This is not a great mindset to have. At her level, her coach should not be giving her workouts that push her so intensely. She should not feel challenged by her workouts at this point, since peaking too young is such a common problem. There was a workout of the week that featured her school from last fall, and she was doing 1k repeats at 3:20 pace. That's way too fast for a freshman girl, period. He shouldn't have let her do them any faster than 3:36 (18:00 5k pace). Also, she should NOT be trying to break records every single race. At her level, it would be much better to have fun with racing- tempo some races, try to run with the pack for the first 3 miles then demolish the last .1 to work on her kick, etc. She's gotta get used to running in the pack, since she won't always be able to outrun her competition so easily.
Zero chance you're a real coach.
Dougie Jones wrote:
A Real Coach wrote:
Unfortunately, we're seeing a pattern that has been repeated umpteen times. In interviews, Katelyn always repeats the same line- "I knew that the other girls hadn't done anything like the workouts I've done." She appears to gain a great deal of confidence from 1) her apparently grueling workouts, and 2) her evident superiority over the rest of the field. This is not a great mindset to have. At her level, her coach should not be giving her workouts that push her so intensely. She should not feel challenged by her workouts at this point, since peaking too young is such a common problem. There was a workout of the week that featured her school from last fall, and she was doing 1k repeats at 3:20 pace. That's way too fast for a freshman girl, period. He shouldn't have let her do them any faster than 3:36 (18:00 5k pace). Also, she should NOT be trying to break records every single race. At her level, it would be much better to have fun with racing- tempo some races, try to run with the pack for the first 3 miles then demolish the last .1 to work on her kick, etc. She's gotta get used to running in the pack, since she won't always be able to outrun her competition so easily.
Zero chance you're a real coach.
If js is a coach, then I'm a coach.
Not a big Fan of Tuohy wrote:
She can run 14:55 for all I care. She is arrogant as a sophomore. Not a fan whatsoever. Me! Me! Me! Me!
I'm sure Katelyn tremendously cares what an anonymous loser on Letsrun thinks about her. Come again when you break 6 minutes for the mile please.
Not a big Fan of Tuohy wrote:
She can run 14:55 for all I care. She is arrogant as a sophomore. Not a fan whatsoever. Me! Me! Me! Me!
She's a competitor and confidence is key to competing at a high level. If you don't believe in yourself then why even toe the line?
Relax boys, she'll break the record at her tempo pace, this won't be an all out effort.
So men peak at 5k early 20s and women peak mid 20s? Interesting. Thanks.[/quote]
There's lots of other factors to consider here:
-Men don't get injured as easily and can build up mileage faster as a generalization
-Age cheating???
-Puberty enhances men right away but can cause a temporary slowdown for women
-Men might tend to push too hard in intervals at a young age, causing them to approach their potential sooner, but compromising it in the long run[/quote]
You missed the most important one. Those lists are all black Africans. That information does not apply to white westerners. Those people didn't grow up on Fruit Loops and Big Macs, ride the school bus to school , come home and play Madden for 3 hours.
She will be alone in that race, but I say that she still goes sub 15:45. With competition, I believe she could go sub 15:30.
She opens up with a 3000m in early January. Can't she run sub 9:04 and also get that record?
Not a big Fan of Tuohy wrote:
She can run 14:55 for all I care. She is arrogant as a sophomore. Not a fan whatsoever. Me! Me! Me! Me!
If she was arrogant...and she's not, and you're an idiot...but if she was, what exactly would be your argument to say to her, "You shouldn't be arrogant, because _____"
This young lady had eleven races this year, including four in a row against the #3 girl in the nation, where the 2nd place finisher didn't even show up in the background of her finish line photos.
That's a pretty "arrogance-friendly" paradigm.
She's going to run 15:25.
hart crane wrote:
She's going to run 15:25.
I believe she's capable of that, but will be more like 15:40.
A Real Coach wrote:
Unfortunately, we're seeing a pattern that has been repeated umpteen times. In interviews, Katelyn always repeats the same line- "I knew that the other girls hadn't done anything like the workouts I've done." She appears to gain a great deal of confidence from 1) her apparently grueling workouts, and 2) her evident superiority over the rest of the field. This is not a great mindset to have. At her level, her coach should not be giving her workouts that push her so intensely. She should not feel challenged by her workouts at this point, since peaking too young is such a common problem. There was a workout of the week that featured her school from last fall, and she was doing 1k repeats at 3:20 pace. That's way too fast for a freshman girl, period. He shouldn't have let her do them any faster than 3:36 (18:00 5k pace). Also, she should NOT be trying to break records every single race. At her level, it would be much better to have fun with racing- tempo some races, try to run with the pack for the first 3 miles then demolish the last .1 to work on her kick, etc. She's gotta get used to running in the pack, since she won't always be able to outrun her competition so easily.
My kids run in the same section and class as Katelyn, so in addition to actually seeing her run, it's been hard not to follow her story closely this season. All this hand wringing and second guessing about her being overworked is being extrapolated from a few random tidbits of info (e.g. Katelyn talking about how hard she works - like she has any idea what workouts girls around the country are doing). So, I'll try to lay out some actual facts.
In eleven races this year, she's only run "hard" four times: Van Cortlandt, Bear Mountain, New York Federation, and NXN National. Even in those races, she barely looked winded. Look at her finish at NXN where she seemed like she just finished a moderate workout while other girls were collapsing in the mud and throwing up (how come nobody here is up in arms about all those other girls pushing themselves too hard?). She has run very, very under control in all her races.
In terms of approach to training, there's a really informative 10 minute video with her coach on Milesplit (
http://ny.milesplit.com/videos/234983). It's unfortunately behind a paywall, but if you don't have access, the gist of it is that he has done nothing but try to bring her along slowly since he started working with her in 7th grade. She does non-impact cross training in place of mileage to lessen the stress on her body, and is training far less than she probably could be and wants to. Her coach is very qualified, humble, and seems to have her best long term interests at heart. He talks in the video openly about how if he had gotten her when he was a younger coach, he would have probably pushed her too fast, but he knows better now.
She is a once a generation runner and is hopefully on a path to long term success. We should be enjoying her accomplishments instead of constantly trying to tear them down (thankfully, only a minority of people here seem to be doing that). Same thing with Claudia Lane. I don't know as much about her approach and training, but she also seems like an extraordinary talent who is being handled well and is progressing nicely.
A Real Coach wrote:
Dougie Jones wrote:
Zero chance you're a real coach.
If js is a coach, then I'm a coach.
3:20 for 1K is slower than her 5K (track) race pace from last year, and is probably her 10K pace now. If you never have your kids do 5k pace in training, or challenge themselves at all, then you have no business calling yourself a coach, period.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Rest in Peace Adrian Lehmann - 2:11 Swiss marathoner. Dies of heart attack.
I think Letesenbet Gidey might be trying to break 14 this Saturday
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing