Katelyn Tuohy 5k Record Attempt

She should take a page from pro runners and not declare record attempts until the night before, if at all. A lot can change in over a month.

I do think she'll break the record easily though.

robert678 wrote:

Is it too early to attempt such a fast 5k so shortly after NXN? Predictions on what time she runs?

Does it take more than six weeks to recover from a 5K race which she won easily? The girl was absolutely unchallenged all season.

This is dumb wrote:

She should take a page from pro runners and not declare record attempts until the night before, if at all. A lot can change in over a month.

I do think she'll break the record easily though.

I think she should make mistakes here and there. She'll only learn from them.

Better than holding her hand too tightly.

see if Claudia Lane entered this, itd be insane. doubtful tho since cali doesn'tdo indoor so she'll likely be traiinig through it.

YMMV wrote:

robert678 wrote:

Is it too early to attempt such a fast 5k so shortly after NXN? Predictions on what time she runs?

Does it take more than six weeks to recover from a 5K race which she won easily? The girl was absolutely unchallenged all season.

She doesn't need to recover from 1 race dummy, she needs to recover from an entire XC season. You can't race year round and if you try to it always backfires. Sure she'll crush this record but at what long term cost.

Uh oh, is this going to be ride the horse for all it's worth. Let's keep using the eraser until it is all gone, wear it down.

This is going to be sad, like watching a stock car race, waiting for the crash.

dwightarm wrote:

see if Claudia Lane entered this, itd be insane. doubtful tho since cali doesn'tdo indoor so she'll likely be traiinig through it.

"Entries are open until January and this meet is sanctioned for VA, NY, NJ, PA, NC, DC, MD, OH, and DE."

Claudia will most likely be focusing on the Great Edinburgh XC challenge as well. Outdoor or next XC season will be a shot for them to go head to head.

I can definitely see Katelyn demolishing Oakley's record by a landslide... and Cain's 15:45 as well if she is in top form.

Unfortunately, we're seeing a pattern that has been repeated umpteen times. In interviews, Katelyn always repeats the same line- "I knew that the other girls hadn't done anything like the workouts I've done." She appears to gain a great deal of confidence from 1) her apparently grueling workouts, and 2) her evident superiority over the rest of the field. This is not a great mindset to have. At her level, her coach should not be giving her workouts that push her so intensely. She should not feel challenged by her workouts at this point, since peaking too young is such a common problem. There was a workout of the week that featured her school from last fall, and she was doing 1k repeats at 3:20 pace. That's way too fast for a freshman girl, period. He shouldn't have let her do them any faster than 3:36 (18:00 5k pace). Also, she should NOT be trying to break records every single race. At her level, it would be much better to have fun with racing- tempo some races, try to run with the pack for the first 3 miles then demolish the last .1 to work on her kick, etc. She's gotta get used to running in the pack, since she won't always be able to outrun her competition so easily.

Indoor? wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Does it take more than six weeks to recover from a 5K race which she won easily? The girl was absolutely unchallenged all season.

She doesn't need to recover from 1 race dummy, she needs to recover from an entire XC season. You can't race year round and if you try to it always backfires. Sure she'll crush this record but at what long term cost.

The deaf-dumb-and-blind Chicken Littles have spoken! I can't imagine your timid trembling fright would have been when Shalane Flanagan ran until she literally passed out in High School races. "Her career is DOOOOOOMMMMMEDD!"

YMMV wrote:

robert678 wrote:

Is it too early to attempt such a fast 5k so shortly after NXN? Predictions on what time she runs?

Does it take more than six weeks to recover from a 5K race which she won easily? The girl was absolutely unchallenged all season.

She probably peaked for NXN and then likely took a break. I thought that was implied. At full fitness she smashes the record easily I think, but so soon after NXN, I'm not sure.

robert678 wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Does it take more than six weeks to recover from a 5K race which she won easily? The girl was absolutely unchallenged all season.

She probably peaked for NXN and then likely took a break. I thought that was implied. At full fitness she smashes the record easily I think, but so soon after NXN, I'm not sure.

She was in sub-15:40 track shape last week. Even at 98% she crushes the record.

Many have written about that her attempt is too close her recently completed cross country season. Actually this might be a good time. She is in top shape and this could be her advantage. The smart thing is that after this race take a short period of active rest and then go back to base building.

Well, Shalane was a swimmer in the winter. What she did in HS training wise was very limited.

What Tuohy is doing is on a different level. Her coach is enjoying the ride more than she is, "let's go break records (now)" woo hoo. This is not a long range minded coach.

If this supposed "evil coach" wanted to overrace her, he could have put her in FL where she would have drubbed Claudia Lane. Instead they took a rest.

YMMV wrote:

If this supposed "evil coach" wanted to overrace her, he could have put her in FL where she would have drubbed Claudia Lane. Instead they took a rest.

did you just bring a fact to this board? shame on you, you need to be banned right now unacceptable

Great rant... except that the window to be a world class athlete is not mid 20s to late 30s. Thats what too many people on here argue.

Go ahead and look up the fastest 5k and 10k times ever run. The average age of the PR for a top 5k runner is 21 years old and many of these runners were in there prime at 18-20 years old.

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

Average Age 20.75 years old

...but then there is the facts wrote:

Great rant... except that the window to be a world class athlete is not mid 20s to late 30s. Thats what too many people on here argue.

Go ahead and look up the fastest 5k and 10k times ever run. The average age of the PR for a top 5k runner is 21 years old and many of these runners were in there prime at 18-20 years old.

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

Average Age 20.75 years old

That whole list is men. Is it different for women? Could you look that up please. I'd greatly appreciate it.

...but then there is the facts wrote:

Great rant... except that the window to be a world class athlete is not mid 20s to late 30s. Thats what too many people on here argue.

Go ahead and look up the fastest 5k and 10k times ever run. The average age of the PR for a top 5k runner is 21 years old and many of these runners were in there prime at 18-20 years old.

Kenenisa Bekele (ETH) Age 21 12:37.35

Haile Gebrselassie (ETH) Age 25 12:39.36

Daniel Komen (KEN) Age 21 12:39.74

Eliud Kipchoge (KEN) Age 19 12:46.53

Dejen Gebremeskel (ETH) Age 22 12:46.81

Sileshi Sihine (ETH) Age 21 12:47.04

Hagos Gebriwhet (ETH) Age 18 12:47.53

Isaiah Koech (KEN) Age 18 12:48.64

Isaac Songok (KEN) Age 22 12:48.66

Yenew Alamirew (ETH) Age 22 12:48.77

Stephen Cherono (KEN) Age 20 12:48.81

Thomas Longosiwa (KEN) Age 20 12:49.04

Average Age 20.75 years old

Add about 4 years to that. Yup, as expected mid-20s.

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