Do Student-Athletes realize what they're doing with this x-fer registry/database?

DI College Coach wrote:

So it sounds like the NCAA is going to create a web site data base where student-athletes from any sport can register to put their name on which will free them up to be recruited by any other program. No release needed, no permission to talk requested (which never gets denied). Never have to have an uncomfortable conversation with their current coach. Just list & then free to transfer. OK, fine, I get that. But do they realize us coaches are going to make sure that their scholarship is immediately cut the moment they do this? Because that consequence is going to accompany this decision. Would you athletes be so quick to support this change if you knew that it will mean all protections of your scholarship are off?

Aren't scholarships for one year only anyhow? How would this be any different? It's not like coaches give guaranteed 4 year scholarships.

Yes, scholarship is guaranteed for a school year, provided they do not quit the team voluntarily, render themselves academically ineligible, or violate NCAA drug or amateurism or gambling policy.

There are probably ways around this, but most of the time a freshmen or sophomore athlete declares their intent to transfer they maintain their scholarship for the remainder of the year but are cut immediately from the team.

Sliding Scale wrote:

Yes, scholarship is guaranteed for a school year, provided they do not quit the team voluntarily, render themselves academically ineligible, or violate NCAA drug or amateurism or gambling policy.

There are probably ways around this, but most of the time a freshmen or sophomore athlete declares their intent to transfer they maintain their scholarship for the remainder of the year but are cut immediately from the team.

It's interesting that the athletes must reveal their intent to change programs before they actually have another offer, yet coaches and athletic administrators can do their search in private and not reveal their intent until after their offer is secure.

This changed a few years ago. Now schools are allowed to give gauranteed 4 year scholarships & some conferences even require it. It’s next to impossible to take an athletic scholarship away for many reasons now. Unless they say they are interested in looking into transferring at present & obtain a permission to talk, or in the future register for this free agency web site. And of course coaches are allowed to search for a new job in private, that’s how the professional adult world works for employment.

John Utah wrote:

It's interesting that the athletes must reveal their intent to change programs before they actually have another offer, yet coaches and athletic administrators can do their search in private and not reveal their intent until after their offer is secure.

+1

Coaches secretly leaving programs is much more detrimental to student-athlete development.

John Utah wrote:

It's interesting that the athletes must reveal their intent to change programs before they actually have another offer, yet coaches and athletic administrators can do their search in private and not reveal their intent until after their offer is secure.

Coaches illegally contacting student-athletes at other institutions about transfer is an issue this hopes to address.

PDong wrote:

John Utah wrote:

It's interesting that the athletes must reveal their intent to change programs before they actually have another offer, yet coaches and athletic administrators can do their search in private and not reveal their intent until after their offer is secure.

Coaches illegally contacting student-athletes at other institutions about transfer is an issue this hopes to address.

It's not "illegal". It's against NCAA rules.

I just don't understand why this is a problem. Other institutions can, of course, contact coaches and athletic administrators. I don't understand why athletes cannot switch programs at will with zero consequences, just as coaches can, just as you can as a non-athlete student.

Coaches have contracts and buyouts, so there is a consequence.

I don't have ANY problem with a student-athlete wanting to leave. I have no problem with them having permission to contact, and I have no problem with them not having to sit out a year. BUT, if they announce their intention to look around and possible transfer, then the are no longer entitled to their scholarship, or training facilities, or athletic support ON THE VERY SAME DAY THEY MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.

Everyone has choices and those choices have consequences. This proposal is simply an attempt to make a choice without consequence, and that isn't real life.

The result being a chilling effect on transfers despite it looking casually like some effort at transparency.

Whomever delivered this scheme is brilliant.

DI College Coach wrote:

John Utah wrote:

Aren't scholarships for one year only anyhow? How would this be any different? It's not like coaches give guaranteed 4 year scholarships.

This changed a few years ago. Now schools are allowed to give gauranteed 4 year scholarships & some conferences even require it. It’s next to impossible to take an athletic scholarship away for many reasons now. Unless they say they are interested in looking into transferring at present & obtain a permission to talk, or in the future register for this free agency web site. And of course coaches are allowed to search for a new job in private, that’s how the professional adult world works for employment.

If it's perfectly reasonable for coaches to do this (thereby avoiding having to have uncomfortable conversations with the AD), then why is it wrong for athletes to do the same?

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Coaches have contracts and buyouts, so there is a consequence.

Name an example of when a coach has personally paid to buyout his/her contract when moving. When coaches move, the hiring institution typically pays any buyout. In other words, there are no consequences when coaches move.

John Utah is 100% in the right on this one. Coaches move with impunity, but this is not the case for athletes. Even if you can find examples where coaches do have to pay a buyout, Utah's point still stands, insofar as coaches conduct their job searches in private, whereas athletes must shop their talents in public.

I'd support getting rid of all athletic scholarships. System is rotten to the core-particularly at state run football factories.

And yes I "benefitted" from the system, if you can call it that.

Heretic wrote:

I'd support getting rid of all athletic scholarships. System is rotten to the core-particularly at state run football factories.

And yes I "benefitted" from the system, if you can call it that.

+1

So this is basically what Joe Franklin/New Mexico is already doing...just dragging them out of the shadows to legitimize it?

John Utah wrote:

Sliding Scale wrote:

Yes, scholarship is guaranteed for a school year, provided they do not quit the team voluntarily, render themselves academically ineligible, or violate NCAA drug or amateurism or gambling policy.

There are probably ways around this, but most of the time a freshmen or sophomore athlete declares their intent to transfer they maintain their scholarship for the remainder of the year but are cut immediately from the team.

It's interesting that the athletes must reveal their intent to change programs before they actually have another offer, yet coaches and athletic administrators can do their search in private and not reveal their intent until after their offer is secure.

So we should treat student athletes as employees? You can’t compare these two to and if you don’t understand why I can’t help you.

What consequences did Devin Elizondo have to deal with when he left UC Davis suddenly for UCLA?

. wrote:

Coaches have contracts and buyouts, so there is a consequence.

Everyone has choices and those choices have consequences. This proposal is simply an attempt to make a choice without consequence, and that isn't real life.

running commenter wrote:

John Utah wrote:

It's interesting that the athletes must reveal their intent to change programs before they actually have another offer, yet coaches and athletic administrators can do their search in private and not reveal their intent until after their offer is secure.

So we should treat student athletes as employees? You can’t compare these two to and if you don’t understand why I can’t help you.

No. Treat them like students. Students switch schools. What am I missing?

......... wrote:

Coaches have contracts and buyouts, so there is a consequence.

I don't have ANY problem with a student-athlete wanting to leave. I have no problem with them having permission to contact, and I have no problem with them not having to sit out a year. BUT, if they announce their intention to look around and possible transfer, then the are no longer entitled to their scholarship, or training facilities, or athletic support ON THE VERY SAME DAY THEY MAKE THAT ANNOUNCEMENT.

Everyone has choices and those choices have consequences. This proposal is simply an attempt to make a choice without consequence, and that isn't real life.

In real life people don’t inform their employers of their intent to look for another job before they have found another job. Maybe you don’t operate in the real world. I don’t know.

Heretic wrote:

I'd support getting rid of all athletic scholarships. System is rotten to the core-particularly at state run football factories.

And yes I "benefitted" from the system, if you can call it that.

I agree with this. Athletics at universities are supposed to be a supplement to the academics. True amateur athletics. Student athletes.

What we have now is the tail wagging the dog. It’s a farce. Why on earth are these big state schools running minor league football, baseball and basketball programs? I know why, but it shouldn’t be that way.

D3 has it right.