Jimmy21 wrote:
there are easy ways to make minor adjustents to how how hard it is
TWSS
Jimmy21 wrote:
there are easy ways to make minor adjustents to how how hard it is
TWSS
long runs, acclimatizing to either heat or altitude. Test efforts to gauge fitness.
The treadmill is a great tool for doing quality sessions, and lots of elites use them. Many runners find it psychologically easier to do a hard workout on the treadmill vs. solo on the track. You don't have to think about your pace; you just have to hold on. You can also make very precise adjustments that would be difficult to do outdoors, such as increasing speed by .1 mph every minute in a progression run.
As others have noted, it's important that you not try to draw equivalencies between treadmill and outdoors. You can use a footpod to get a sense of how fast the treadmill is really moving, but the lack of wind resistance (not to mention the fact that a lot of treadmills actually slope slightly down, especially if they're worn out) means that you're always faster on the treadmill. Ideally, use the same treadmill every time so at least that can be consistent. Then use heart rate and your own sense of perceived exertion to get a sense for what various treadmill speeds really mean for you. Also, if you're new to doing quality work on the treadmill, you may be slow at first. Some people have very strange treadmill form until they realize that it's basically the same stride as running outdoors (there are differences, but they're very, very subtle).
I don't really understand the claim that treadmill workouts are boring. Sure, doing an easy run on the treadmill is not as fun as running outside, but when you're doing a quality session, you're typically in too much pain to think about anything external or to be bored.
ya know..I hear a lot of people say the treadmill is easier to hold onto a faster pace..I just can't..I am no elite but I'd consider myself a pretty strong runner..my 5k pace feels like a freaking struggle and half..I use the treadmill for more maintenance type work in the winter..but I usually just try and acclimate to the cold unless it's icy
Doelites wrote:
Do elite long distance runners do quality sessions on a treadmill? Like tempo or fartleck?
And if not why then?
I think everytime Galen Rupp runs a marathon, they tell the story about him increasing the temperature in his house for long runs. I assume he is using a treadmill during these runs. He also has an aqua jogger in his back yard.
I'm not an elite, but I ran 2:28 in Berlin after doing all of my quality sessions on the treadmill. Necessity because I live in a hot climate and had to train in the summer.
When I was deciding whether or not to do that I came across plenty of anecdotes of great runners who had to do 100% of their training on the treadmill.
People rag on the treadmill out of convention, but it's a fine piece of equipment. My fastest times have came from actual races, not treadmill sessions. Over time, I do more and more of my running on the treadmill.
Nice things about the treadmill:
(1) Shoes don't wear out as quickly since there are no elements to brave and you have a soft unobstructed surface.
(2) Bathroom is always near-by.
(3) Controlled climtate.
(4) Precise control over pace and distance.
(5) Softer surface. See (1).
(6) Hot chick in front of you doing crazy butt-boosting workout.
(7) See (6).
(8) See (7).
(9) I think I'm done here.
belial wrote:
People rag on the treadmill out of convention, but it's a fine piece of equipment. My fastest times have came from actual races, not treadmill sessions. Over time, I do more and more of my running on the treadmill.
Nice things about the treadmill:
(1) Shoes don't wear out as quickly since there are no elements to brave and you have a soft unobstructed surface.
(2) Bathroom is always near-by.
(3) Controlled climtate.
(4) Precise control over pace and distance.
(5) Softer surface. See (1).
(6) Hot chick in front of you doing crazy butt-boosting workout.
(7) See (6).
(8) See (7).
(9) I think I'm done here.
(6) is probably the most important.
Beautiful Day wrote:
1. Yes.
2. Because winter.
3. Unless you live or have tried to run in the Midwest United States, particularly the center of the country, you can keep quiet at this point. No, more "layers" will not help you.
1.) Nope
2.) Because running outside in the winter isn't bad unless the roads are frozen over (rare).
3.) I ran for a school in Illinois and I can count on one hand the number of times we opted to run inside over the course of 4 years. We also had an indoor track, so we didn't even have to use a treadmill.
4.) Yes, more layers will help you.
COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:
When its snow and ice and cold outside we Scandinavians use to run on the tredmill. My best 10k outside is 29.51
but at a tredmill I ran 28.30, so its much easier to run fast on a tredmill, just to hang on and no headwind and so on.
yes Ingrid did most of her training on the treadmill in winter
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=4541038Lame wrote:
Beautiful Day wrote:
1. Yes.
2. Because winter.
3. Unless you live or have tried to run in the Midwest United States, particularly the center of the country, you can keep quiet at this point. No, more "layers" will not help you.
1.) Nope
2.) Because running outside in the winter isn't bad unless the roads are frozen over (rare).
3.) I ran for a school in Illinois and I can count on one hand the number of times we opted to run inside over the course of 4 years. We also had an indoor track, so we didn't even have to use a treadmill.
4.) Yes, more layers will help you.
This is true. I grew up and went to college in the Midwest. I remember doing 15 mile runs in zero degree weather in college. I remember doing outdoor tempo runs where guys had icicle beards afterwards. Winter running is perfectly doable for young, fit people. "Beautiful Day" is old, soft, or both (like me now).
To the guy asking why Kenyans and Ethiopians don't use treadmills: It doesn't get cold in East Africa. No snow.
Every year we come into wintery season in northern hemisphere: we get the treadmill justifiers. Who cares? If you cannot stomach the awesome frozen lands outside: run on the treadmill. It is better you bounce in one place on the treadmill in winter than us having to give you terrible advice on how to "get back into it"
Annie Bersagel USA Half-Marathon champion
https://twitter.com/nycmarathon/status/783049200309338112
Magdalena Lewy Boulet, 2008 Olympic marathoner
https://www.runnersworld.com/training-video/magdalena-lewy-boulets-treadmill-training-tips
http://running.competitor.com/2014/03/news/5-questions-with-magdalena-lewy-boulet_95967
Nanana wrote:
Lame wrote:
1.) Nope
2.) Because running outside in the winter isn't bad unless the roads are frozen over (rare).
3.) I ran for a school in Illinois and I can count on one hand the number of times we opted to run inside over the course of 4 years. We also had an indoor track, so we didn't even have to use a treadmill.
4.) Yes, more layers will help you.
This is true. I grew up and went to college in the Midwest. I remember doing 15 mile runs in zero degree weather in college. I remember doing outdoor tempo runs where guys had icicle beards afterwards. Winter running is perfectly doable for young, fit people. "Beautiful Day" is old, soft, or both (like me now).
To the guy asking why Kenyans and Ethiopians don't use treadmills: It doesn't get cold in East Africa. No snow.
I used to love doing long trail runs in frigid weather. Now that I'm in the city, I still love running in the cold, but when 20-30% of the sidewalks are covered with ice, it's treadmill time.
not sure........ wrote:
Douglas Bermer wrote:
The answer is an imfatic YES! I like to do up to 14 miles on the treadmill and will start off around 8 minutes a mile and end up going as fast as 6:50 a mile.
That doesn't seem very fast for an elite runner.
It is if the incline is set at 15%. That would be over 10,000 ft gain!!
Christine Clark of Alaska won the 2000 Olympic Marathon Trials and did 2/3 of her training on the treadmill during the winter.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/27/sports/olympics-a-long-triumphs-in-the-olympic-trials.html
Eliud Kipchoge wrote:
I don't.
Hi Kipchoge!
This is my experience as well. Living in Canada means snow and ice in the winter but great running weather in spring and summer. I do all my runs outdoors for about 7 months of the year and the rest indoors on a treadmill except for my long run which i always do outside unless the weather is too unmanageable. I am definitely a better runner outdoors and find it easier to maintain a faster pace.
the dreadmill, necessary evil wrote:
ya know..I hear a lot of people say the treadmill is easier to hold onto a faster pace..I just can't..I am no elite but I'd consider myself a pretty strong runner..my 5k pace feels like a freaking struggle and half..I use the treadmill for more maintenance type work in the winter..but I usually just try and acclimate to the cold unless it's icy
Chris Clark won the US Olympic Trials in 2000. She supposedly did a lot of her training on a treadmill.