Grassy Knoller wrote:
Does it include the Zapruder footage?
Somewhat of an equivalent.
Grassy Knoller wrote:
Does it include the Zapruder footage?
Somewhat of an equivalent.
Dan Howitt 2 months ago provided a new section on Kilian Jornet's 1st Everest attempt.
Page 3-8 of this Google Drive 22 page report.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ste0p1l24dq8uKEjedwKGXgZ0GP7VCOP/view
Thanks for the link to Howitt's updated report but there are some things he has right and some things he has wrong. Best to wait for when I can post the link to my report this coming week since it is much more comprehensive and has a lot more evidence.
It won't disappoint the regular LRC sleuths, if you get my drift.....
Why do the important people get to read the report already and what makes them so important?
Post it now god damn it.
Unless by "important people" you mean a lawyer, in which case its probably a smart move.
Please Hurry wrote:
Why do the important people get to read the report already and what makes them so important?
Post it now god damn it.
Unless by "important people" you mean a lawyer, in which case its probably a smart move.
They get to read it first because they have a lot of sway in the mountaineering community and some of the key evidence came from them (that they didn't realize they had or didn't connect the dots with). I won't be pursuing this Jornet case anymore after I release my report since I consider my work completed. What happens after I release my report publicly will be up to others.
Everest Base Camp (Nepal) (AFP) – The Everest industry is suffering from a dangerous shortage of its most important resource: experienced Sherpa guides. Ethnic Sherpas from the valleys around Everest have become synonymous with high altitude climbing. With their unique ability to work in a low-oxygen, high altitude atmosphere, they are the backbone of the industry, hauling clients and equipment to the top of the 8,848-metre (29,029-foot) mountain. The number of Everest climbers has more than doubled in two decades, however, and the Sherpa supply has not kept pace. Raw recruits are now being used to reach the top and it has already taken a toll. Dawa Sange Sherpa, 20, summited Mount Everest last year — a first for him and the climber he was with. On the way down, the cold, lack of oxygen and exhaustion took hold. The pair collapsed just below the summit and were found hours later, barely alive. “My friend said to me, ‘He’s done’. But I found a small pulse in him,” said guide Ang Tshering Lama, who found Sange.
https://www.afp.com/en/news/205/sherpa-shortage-takes-toll-everest-doc-12v0yq4– ‘Risky business’ –
No qualifications are needed to work on Everest. Some expedition operators require staff to do one of two short courses for mountain workers. Others do not.
Mingma dismissed the Nepal Mountaineering Association courses as worthless, saying everything could be learned on the mountain.
“My Sherpa don’t have any training with NMA. NMA training for us is not enough, we should do our own training on the mountain,” he said.
Dawa Steven Sherpa of Asian Trekking requires all staff to have done the NMA course. He said that budget expedition operators hire inexperienced Sherpa to cut costs.
“As long as his name is Sherpa,” he quipped of the recruitment criteria.
Just wondering if you mean you will publish the link this week ( before May 25) or next week?
And is it really 50 pages? Hopefully you have a summary? I will read it all, I just want a quick answer first.
This week or next? wrote:
Just wondering if you mean you will publish the link this week ( before May 25) or next week?
And is it really 50 pages? Hopefully you have a summary? I will read it all, I just want a quick answer first.
My plan is to post this week. The reviewers are reviewing it right now and said they will give me an answer this week. I'm not obligated by the reviewers but want them to read it first and give me their thoughts. I really want to post the link to finally shed light on this case but it seems wiser to wait for the reviewers (I've already waited over 5 months anyways).
The report is actually 56 pages (some pages have screenshots) plus the folder of supporting evidence.
For a quick read, go to the very last page when it is released and read the Conclusion, which itself is a full page long. I could not make it any shorter! I'll also try copying the Conclusion to this thread.
The report covers 4 specific claims that Jornet made that I back up with screenshots and other sources of where he made them so there is no mistake like what other reports have done.
Here is specifically the 4 claims I investigate from the report:
4 Details of Jornet’s Everest Claims
Before the rest of this report begins, we must be clear about what exactly Jornet is publicly claiming that we are investigating. Below are the 4 specific claims that this investigation covers:
• Claim #1: Jornet claims to have summitted Everest on May 22nd, 2017 (UTC+5:45) starting from the Rongbuk Monastery at Base Camp.
• Claim #2: Jornet claims his finish time was “midnight” (UTC+5:45) on his May 22nd, 2017 Everest summit with a total ascent time of “26h”.
• Claim #3: Jornet claims to have summitted Everest again on May 27th, 2017 (UTC+5:45) starting from Advanced Base Camp.
• Claim #4: Jornet claims his finish time was “9pm” (UTC+5:45) on his May 27th, 2017 Everest summit with a total ascent time of “17h”.
These claims can be seen on Jornet’s websites as indicated in the screenshots below, captured on May 17th, 2017 (EST). In later sections of this report, we will also show evidence of where else these claims have been
made, including on video and statements made to the Himalayan Database.
I can barely contain my excitement.
Reading a 56 page document about whether or not some guy lied about climbing a mountain will be one of the highlights of my running year.
Can you at least publish in audio format so I can listen to it on a long run at double speed.
I cant wait wrote:
I can barely contain my excitement.
Reading a 56 page document about whether or not some guy lied about climbing a mountain will be one of the highlights of my running year.
Can you at least publish in audio format so I can listen to it on a long run at double speed.
I’m a runner and I read a lot, but very little of what I read is about running. Conversely I do not climb mountains but I have read a hell of a lot of books about climbing mountains. They are great reads. Reinhold Messner’s books are good, Walter Bonati’s Moutains of My Life is a great read, and books like Joe Simpson’s Touching the Void are hard to put down. Reading books about climbing mountains will never be the “highlight of my running year” but they are a hell of a lot better than books about running. Which is to say, I’m looking forward to reading the report even though it’s not about running.
scam_watcheroo wrote:
Interesting how you act like, you, alone, are the only investigator. And that your report, is, only, based on your own work.
Question.
Before you saw Dan Howitt's report from December 2017 [as noted in some articles in Russia/Greece/Spain it was sent to US and international media in August 2017] did you think twice about Kilian's Everest claims?
Answer. No.
Even look at your reply in this Thread. Yours is the 2nd post of the Thread. You hadn't thought twice about it before Howitt. Like 10's of millions of others.
RE: Dan Howitt's May 2018 Report On The Kilian Jornet Everest Co wrote:
scam_watcheroo wrote:
Interesting how you act like, you, alone, are the only investigator. And that your report, is, only, based on your own work.
Question.
Before you saw Dan Howitt's report from December 2017 [as noted in some articles in Russia/Greece/Spain it was sent to US and international media in August 2017] did you think twice about Kilian's Everest claims?
Answer. No.
Even look at your reply in this Thread. Yours is the 2nd post of the Thread. You hadn't thought twice about it before Howitt. Like 10's of millions of others.
You will see in my report that I mention Howitt in multiple places as well as in the Conclusion.
I will be posting the link to my report tomorrow, Friday May 25th, 2017 at 11:30 AM EST.
Bump
My full report into Kilian Jornet's Everest claims is now publicly released. Below is the extract of just the Conclusion to give you a brief read of what is detailed in the 56-page report. Let's see if anyone can summarize it in fewer words than I've done below, because I can't. Read it ALL, or you will miss key points!
Detailed Analysis of Kilian Jornet’s Mount Everest Claims
Do Allegations About His Summit & Time Claims Have Merit?
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20 Conclusion
From the detailed evidence shown in this report, the key findings of this investigation are (all times in UTC+5:45):
• Claim #1: True - Jornet’s claim to have summitted Everest on May 22nd, 2017 is true as verified by the GoPro video high frequency GPS data. The GPS data from Jornet’s Suunto watch was determined to be inaccurate from the First Step to the Summit but otherwise accurate outside of that area.
• Claim #2: False - Jornet’s world record claim of having summitted Everest at “midnight” and with an ascent duration of “26 hours” for his May 22nd, 2017 summit is false. The actual time he summitted is between 12:34:19 AM to 12:34:25 AM giving an ascent duration between 26h 31min 00sec to 26h 31min 06sec. This is substantially different than what Jornet initially claimed and still publicly claims on his online media & Path to Everest documentary, despite him altering his ascent duration claim in his August 2017 PDF statement in response to Dan Howitt’s investigations.
• Claim #3: Disputed - Jornet has not provided objective evidence that he summitted on May 27th, 2017 due to the GPS data in his claimed summit photos not placing him at the summit and his subsequent response to the Rodolphe Popier investigation that he manually set his watch to show the altitude value on screen. Jornet’s explanation of high winds at the summit for why he did this contradicts what he told the Himalayan Database about having spent about 10 minutes on the top of Everest. There is also the unsatisfactory issue of Jornet claiming not to know what happened to all the uphill GPS data on his Suunto watch. Furthermore, there is the misleading alteration of the GOPRO511.MP4 video in Jornet’s Path to Everest documentary where the audio was completely replaced to make it appear as if the video was taken at the summit of Everest. For a multitude of reasons and for the reasons in Claim #4, this investigation marks Jornet’s second Everest summit claim as disputed.
• Claim #4: False - The evidence shows that Jornet’s claimed Everest ascent duration of “17h” on May 27th, 2017 from Advanced Base Camp is false (in addition to him actually summitting being highly disputed in Claim #3).
o Jornet stated to the Himalayan Database he started at 2 AM. Sebastien Montaz-Rosset, Jornet’s camera man and climbing partner at Everest, specifically states on video the day of Jornet’s ascent that Jornet started at 2 AM. Jornet’s Summits of My Life website also indicated a 2 AM start time that was picked up by news outlets and his sponsors Suunto & Salomon before that information was removed. Using Jornet’s claimed summit time of “9pm” gives an ascent duration of 19 hours. Using the time stamp of 9:28:18 PM from the claimed GOPRO512.JPG summit photo, we would get an ascent duration of 19h 28min 18sec. The evidence ascent duration for Jornet’s second Everest attempt in 2017 is an astonishing 2h to 2h 28min 18sec longer than he has been claiming in public and to the Himalayan Database.
o We also note here the issue of Jornet having claimed to the Himalayan Database that the summit time for his May 27th, 2017 Everest attempt was at 7 PM (see Section 14), unlike the 9 PM summit time he claimed to the public. This contradictory 7 PM summit time Jornet stated to the Himalayan Database would indeed give an ascent duration of “17h” with his claimed 2 AM start time he also stated. However, a 7 PM summit time is impossible because Jornet’s own GOPRO511.MP4 video evidence shows he was still going up at the time and only reached the base of the Summit Pyramid at 7:24:57 PM (see Section 11.2.4).
The full report is at the link below. Inside the report, you will find the links/screenshots to all the evidence (including the original GoPro videos with the GPS data extracted). Feel free to share this link as it is intended to be public:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1izzOsKWGdw_vim9-zSpR5QMMw9mOz-ExThis is very fishy, if all of his times are fudged how are you supposed to believe any of his claims?
"• Claim #1: True - Jornet’s claim to have summitted Everest on May 22nd, 2017 is true as verified by the GoPro video high frequency GPS data. The GPS data from Jornet’s Suunto watch was determined to be inaccurate from the First Step to the Summit but otherwise accurate outside of that area."
So the data is inaccurate above the first step but verifies the ascent anyway? How is this possible? If it is questionable how does it "verify"?
huh just huh wrote:
"• Claim #1: True - Jornet’s claim to have summitted Everest on May 22nd, 2017 is true as verified by the GoPro video high frequency GPS data. The GPS data from Jornet’s Suunto watch was determined to be inaccurate from the First Step to the Summit but otherwise accurate outside of that area."
So the data is inaccurate above the first step but verifies the ascent anyway? How is this possible? If it is questionable how does it "verify"?
There are two separate sources of GPS data for Jornet's first Everest at the summit: high frequency GPS data from the GoPro video and the inaccurate Suunto GPS watch. The Suunto watch was accurate everywhere except from the First Step to the Summit. The high frequency GoPro GPS got a signal lock and clearly shows the summit altitude and location.
Thanks for sharing the report S_W
scam_watcheroo wrote:
huh just huh wrote:
"• Claim #1: True - Jornet’s claim to have summitted Everest on May 22nd, 2017 is true as verified by the GoPro video high frequency GPS data. The GPS data from Jornet’s Suunto watch was determined to be inaccurate from the First Step to the Summit but otherwise accurate outside of that area."
So the data is inaccurate above the first step but verifies the ascent anyway? How is this possible? If it is questionable how does it "verify"?
There are two separate sources of GPS data for Jornet's first Everest at the summit: high frequency GPS data from the GoPro video and the inaccurate Suunto GPS watch. The Suunto watch was accurate everywhere except from the First Step to the Summit. The high frequency GoPro GPS got a signal lock and clearly shows the summit altitude and location.
Thanks for the clarification.
tldr; It sounds like he summited both times but was sloppy in his time estimates.