Has there been a million people under 4 minutes for the mile yet?

No. Not even close. Probably not even one thousandth of your million.

HUH??? wrote:

Seriously I doubt it because in Europe they tend to run the 1500. However if you included mile equivalent times for the mile run, I bet we are closing in on the one million mark for those individuals who have surpassed running under 4 minute mile pace for the 1500/1600/Mile.

You can go to ordinary college events and see 3-6 people equaling or surpassing the sub-4 standard.

It's been quite a few years since the days of Jim Ryun where it was an accomplishment. They even have had articles printed which ask the question "Is the 4 minute mile still relevant?"

Does anyone know where you could find a list of these people?

I'm pretty sure you're not a troll, but I'm pretty sure you are an idiot.

HUH??? wrote:

Seriously I doubt it because in Europe they tend to run the 1500. However if you included mile equivalent times for the mile run, I bet we are closing in on the one million mark for those individuals who have surpassed running under 4 minute mile pace for the 1500/1600/Mile.

You can go to ordinary college events and see 3-6 people equaling or surpassing the sub-4 standard.

It's been quite a few years since the days of Jim Ryun where it was an accomplishment. They even have had articles printed which ask the question "Is the 4 minute mile still relevant?"

Does anyone know where you could find a list of these people?

I knew that I would get negative responses rather than someone who could actually supply an accurate list (I believe I have already seen the all-athletics list, in fact I reviewed that almost a year ago and it is falls far short of being accurate.)

I too was once ignorant of how insignificant the sub 4 mile has become.

Yes that was the list I saw a year ago. You who are so wise must realize that there have been many more 1500s ran over the years than mile runs. So how can you say there have not been a million equivalents.

You say I am dumb. I say you are ignorant and choose to stay that way!

Amazing is't it.

Sure, if you count people who broke 4 while driving.

You don't seem to understand how large a million is relative to the number of people who run track at a moderately high level. They are orders of magnitude apart.

This is letsrun and there is no messing around here.

Anyone slower than 3:53 mile for men is a hobby jogger.

Youipi wrote:

You don't seem to understand how large a million is relative to the number of people who run track at a moderately high level. They are orders of magnitude apart.

Most noobs who run that slow are still in high school so still technically hobby joggers, technically.

Youipi wrote:

You don't seem to understand how large a million is relative to the number of people who run track at a moderately high level. They are orders of magnitude apart.

When I say that millions have ran the equivalent of a sub-4 mile I am talking all time.

Why is that hard to understand?

Huh??? wrote:

Youipi wrote:

You don't seem to understand how large a million is relative to the number of people who run track at a moderately high level. They are orders of magnitude apart.

When I say that millions have ran the equivalent of a sub-4 mile I am talking all time.

Why is that hard to understand?

It's not hard to understand. It's just not true.

Huh??? wrote:

Yes that was the list I saw a year ago. You who are so wise must realize that there have been many more 1500s ran over the years than mile runs. So how can you say there have not been a million equivalents.

You say I am dumb. I say you are ignorant and choose to stay that way!

Amazing is't it.

Before I digress: how, exactly, am I ignorant if I'm the one providing the correct information and "schooling" you in the subject at hand? Poor choice of adjective? OBVIOUSLY you're in an ESL situation and maybe you're just new here, so I'll be nice as I continue:

Here's the 1500 list that you assume is making up a MASSIVE amount of additional sub-4 equivalents. Even with generous additions for "unaccounted for sub-4's", we're looking at MAYBE 50,000 at the absolute max for 1500+1500i+1609+1609i times.

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Aforementioned list: http://www.alltime-athletics.com/m_1500ok.htm

Re:1500m conversioms

The title is unique to the mile distance,thus [I]SOME [/I hardliners believe that unless you actually run a mile under 4 you do not get the title sub 4 miler.

They don't say sub 3:42ers are not able to go sub 4 just that they have not completed a mile under 4 minutes in competition.

Snap! OP got served!!

Well we know a million people have done a half marathon because of this

https://www.greatrun.org/news-and-media/blog/tracey-cramond-one-in-a-great-north-million

this is a race which has been going for decades and has a 5 digit size field every year. And the average time is probably about what 8-9 minute mile pace?

Now stop and think for a minute how you get from that to thinking the same number of people have done a sub-4 mile?

O.K., first, if you are seeing 3-6 guys break four or break 3:42 for 1500m at a college meet it isn't an "ordinary meet" as generally there are only around 35-50 guys capable of that in the entire college system in any given year. Any meet with 3-6 of the top 50 in their event isn't ordinary. Generally it means it is a large important meet or a championship meet of some sort. Yes, you can see a dozen or more meets like that in a year, but lets remember there are literally hundreds of college meets across the country every year.

Secondly, simple math can tell you how insane your question is. Looking back on this last year, according to the IAAF there were 158 guys sub 3:40 in the world. So lets go ahead and be generous and extrapolate that down to 300 athletes sub 3:42. 300 guys. Now, lets look back. The first time the 3:42 barrier was broken was 1954. 63 years ago. Now lets be really really generous and say that every year every single guy under 3:42 is NEW, and wasn't on the list the year before. Something that is clearly not true. AND now, let's say that we have had around 300 guys under 3:42 every single year since the barrier was first broken 63 years ago. Again, something clearly not true. That gives you 18,900 people breaking 3:42. In 63 years. That is it. I would be willing to be that if we had comprehensive lists and it is something that could be checked and you combined all the mile and 1500 equivalents , less than 10,000 people have actually done it.

Should we include all the kids who broke 4 minutes in the grade school mile around the parking lot or gym? That has to be a couple million right there.

There MIGHT have been one million people ever who have broken 5:00 in the mile, or in its equivalent.

And God knows human history started in 1954...