Holy hell the depth at CIM.

Everybody is searching for that extra help in order to qualify for the Olympic Trials Marathon.

Nike Vaporfly 4% - needs to be outlawed.

California International Marathon course - needs to be off the list for qualifying.

oh yeah, lots of vaporfly

https://imgur.com/a/mTU4a

I have the '83 Cal Ten results. It was the the 10 mile championship on a certified course. Pancake flat course in Stockton. I ran 59:28 which was only good for 307th place out of 820 finishers. The term hobby jogger didn't exist. Almost everyone trained hard. There were at least 20 running clubs in the Bay Area.

It looked like they had perfect weather this year for Cal.

CIM sillyness wrote:

oh yeah, lots of vaporfly

https://imgur.com/a/mTU4a

Guy in blue in the first pic is wearing regular Zoom Fly.

once again non-profit USATF promotes running by putting videos behind a paywall

http://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&do=videos&video_id=222067-Men-039-s-Race-Highlights-USATF-Marathon-Championships-2017

That is capitalism.

Fun fact: The guy who finished 24th lives in my area. He is a beast. I've taken a few of his KOMs but I was cherry picking lol.

Anon wrote:

The course is not a joke. The first half really rolls. Not huge hills but consistent rolling. Weather was perfect today, which helped, no doubt.

What?! I’ve run CIM twice. If that course isn’t a joke, what courses are?

some amateur smartphone video of the start - did the elite/sub-elite field start with the masses?

I see a few nike blues but no idea if vaporfly and not a lot of them

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Tiv5Tlmgrq0

Bozooooo wrote:

Also yeesh stop hating on people for running well. Pick people up. Be happy for people. You'll live your best life that way.

QOD.

some video here after the odd start

also some stills at the 50 second mark

has the men and women's overall winner moments

http://dr6lcqo3bxtwa.cloudfront.net/binary/2017/12/3/23/1437580321678-6bjrso/20171203_CIM___1_-1512343316341.mp4

midwestern life wrote:

Anon wrote:

The course is not a joke. The first half really rolls. Not huge hills but consistent rolling. Weather was perfect today, which helped, no doubt.

What?! I’ve run CIM twice. If that course isn’t a joke, what courses are?

I guess it depends on what you mean by "joke." I think most people assume that by joke, you mean it is faster than if you were to run a perfectly flat marathon. For example, a downhill mile would be a joke of a mile course.

But CIM is not "cheating," the general concensus is that it is about like a perfectly flat course or a tiny bit slower, but not faster than a flat course. Just because Boston is a harder race doesnt mean that CIM is a "joke," it is just one of the faster courses out there.

People already estimate how easy or hard a course is with all other marathons. The handful of trolls who keep railing against this course are strange, I am not entirely sure what they are hoping to accomplish from it, either.

Sorry but where are the results? Not on the race website

It's an honest course. It's nothing like the "BQ" Snoqualmie course with 2000 feet of elevation drop.

I know someone who ran in 2015 and he said the rolling hills at CIM ate him up. 2015 had nasty conditions, headwind.

Good grief, photo shows three runners wearing the shoe?

Lol “depth” wrote:

That course is a ski slope all the way to the finish. Probably 6-7 mins faster than NYC or Boston for your average hobbyjogger chasing times.

Obviously you’ve never run this race. The first mile is awesome. Then it’s rolling to 16 miles when it flattened out the rest of the way. It’s not any faster than any other race.

You’ve never run this race wrote:

Lol “depth” wrote:

That course is a ski slope all the way to the finish. Probably 6-7 mins faster than NYC or Boston for your average hobbyjogger chasing times.

Obviously you’ve never run this race. The first mile is awesome. Then it’s rolling to 16 miles when it flattened out the rest of the way. It’s not any faster than any other race.

It’s not really an argument. Look at the elevation profile. The fact is this is a hugely downhill course and contains no major hills. It’s only “rolling” if your definition of rolling is 3x as downhill as uphill. This is a very, very fast marathon and if you took the field and ran it in NYC you’d see considerably slower times. I’m not sure who’d disagree with that.

Cim depth off the charts wrote:

CIM was just insane, depth wise. I like these two stats:

1. A random dude ran 2:59:59 and got 649th place.

2. Mike Wardian's 2:38 would have only been good for 16th chick.

Damn. Also, Anthony Costales just dropped his pr from 2:17 high to 2:13:12 to take 4th. Talk about a breakout.

Wardian was guiding a blind runner today, so his time wasn't what it normally would have been.

Anyone who so much as even THINKS "Yeah but there are uphills at CIM too" should be thrown in prison for at least 25 years to life. What kind of sad, pitiful candy-ass would even go there? Would you like the option of an escalator or a hot-air balloon for those horrible horrible climbs?