Holy hell the depth at CIM.

This is what happens when there is only ONE big marathon for the entire west coast that's worth doing.

Helps to run a downhill point to point course as well.

This is what races were like in the 80s and 90s. i remember seeing race results from a 10 miler in stockton ca from the early 80s. 150 people broke 60min.

CIM doesn't pay big bucks in prize money so it doesn't attract the super elite. but it's a quality race so it's great for people chasing fast times.

That course is a ski slope all the way to the finish. Probably 6-7 mins faster than NYC or Boston for your average hobbyjogger chasing times.

Lol “depth” wrote:

That course is a ski slope all the way to the finish. Probably 6-7 mins faster than NYC or Boston for your average hobbyjogger chasing times.

You've run CIM then? 6-7 minutes faster than NYC or Boston??? Get outta here. Boston and CIM are very similar at least when running them. You lose a ton in the very first mile at CIM but then it's all rollers through 16 or so. Yes, you go down more than you go up but you do a fair amount of climbing. The last 10k is really nice where it flattens out and you're still losing some elevation.

YouveRunIt wrote:

Lol “depth” wrote:

That course is a ski slope all the way to the finish. Probably 6-7 mins faster than NYC or Boston for your average hobbyjogger chasing times.

You've run CIM then? 6-7 minutes faster than NYC or Boston??? Get outta here. Boston and CIM are very similar at least when running them. You lose a ton in the very first mile at CIM but then it's all rollers through 16 or so. Yes, you go down more than you go up but you do a fair amount of climbing. The last 10k is really nice where it flattens out and you're still losing some elevation.

Look at CIM compared to NYC. It’s not even the same race:

Lol “depth” wrote:

That course is a ski slope all the way to the finish. Probably 6-7 mins faster than NYC or Boston for your average hobbyjogger chasing times.

Absolutely true. The CIM course is incredibly generous.

Every other west coast marathon SUCKS wrote:

This is what happens when there is only ONE big marathon for the entire west coast that's worth doing.

Yeah, it surprises me that the Humboldt Redwoods Marathon in October hasn't tried to recruit more 2:30-3:00 hour runners and faster. They have decent weather (predictable) as well as a neutral course profile. They barely get 300-500 for the marathon. That could be increased to 2000, maybe 3000 tops. Not huge, but with the dearth of good marathons, I'm just surprised.

Your NYC elevation graph is in meters, you bozo.

yagtash wrote:

Your NYC elevation graph is in meters, you bozo.

Really hope you're a John Mulaney fan!

At CIM you gain 600 feet while at Boston you gain 900. Both have similar elevation loss.

NYC is a tough marathon. The bridges are tough. CIM and Boston are similar. On paper Boston is tougher but let's not pretend CIM is a roller coaster downhill. You drop the same as Boston and do a fair amount of climbing. There's a reason USATF allows OTQs at CIM and not on something like St. George.

Look at a consistent elite like Craig Leon. He notched a small PR today but has run similar times at Chicago. He always seems to be in that 2:13-14 range and ran 2:13 today. Is CIM fast? Yes. But I'll go maybe a minute or two max on a pancake flat course (if that).

Two more points: US Marathon Champs was today (a lotta people to run fast with) and pretty perfect marathoning weather. It was a recipe for success today.

Also yeesh stop hating on people for running well. Pick people up. Be happy for people. You'll live your best life that way.

have there ever been FOURTY men otq at a marathon before? 53 women too

so nearly 100 OTQ from one race? is that a record?

that course was a ski slope, plus lots of tailwind today

https://i.imgur.com/a3MMNWn.png

Just some random trivial from 1991 (

http://arrs.net/BestTime2.htm

)

The 50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th, 100th place finisher at CIM 2017 for the men ran the following:

2:21:27

2:23:12

2:24:48

2:26:29

2:28:23

2:29:40

The 50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th, and 100th place finishers of all-time ran the following in the 21 April 1991 London Marathon:

2:15:11 (Peter Dall)

2:16:28 (Didier Bernard)

2:17:18 (Takashi Kaneko)

2:17:54 (Bruno Leger)

2:18:42 (Youssef Doukal)

2:19:31 (Peter Fonseca)

better 3D example of the course profile so people understand why so many OTQ

https://i.imgur.com/jY15g8F.jpg

sloinnorcal wrote:

Every other west coast marathon SUCKS wrote:

This is what happens when there is only ONE big marathon for the entire west coast that's worth doing.

Yeah, it surprises me that the Humboldt Redwoods Marathon in October hasn't tried to recruit more 2:30-3:00 hour runners and faster. They have decent weather (predictable) as well as a neutral course profile. They barely get 300-500 for the marathon. That could be increased to 2000, maybe 3000 tops. Not huge, but with the dearth of good marathons, I'm just surprised.

I live on the east coast. Serious question, how easy is it to fly into the Humboldt Redwoods Marathon? How close is the nearest major airport (SF, Sacramento, LAX, etc)?

Lol “depth” wrote:

That course is a ski slope all the way to the finish. Probably 6-7 mins faster than NYC or Boston for your average hobbyjogger chasing times.

Boston can be fast. 2011?

The problem with Boston is the annual hot temperatures and likely headwind.

when the race photos come out, will it be possible to count the number of vaporfly in use?

are they possible to spot from race photos?

because I know nike has similar color schemes on other shoes this season

photos will be here in three days

http://www.sportphoto.com/Event.aspx?EventID=1152

random hobby jogger wrote:

This is what races were like in the 80s and 90s. i remember seeing race results from a 10 miler in stockton ca from the early 80s. 150 people broke 60min.

CIM doesn't pay big bucks in prize money so it doesn't attract the super elite. but it's a quality race so it's great for people chasing fast times.

That was the Cal 10. Fast flat course with prize money for a while. Always drew a great field. Lots of teams. Capital City Flyers, Converse/Reebok Aggies, and plenty of others.

CIM sillyness wrote:

have there ever been FOURTY men otq at a marathon before? 53 women too

so nearly 100 OTQ from one race? is that a record?

that course was a ski slope, plus lots of tailwind today

https://i.imgur.com/a3MMNWn.png

the downhill is worth less than 2 minutes for runners around 7 min pace.

There was no tailwind. But the wind was very light and the temp was ideal.

Keep trying.

Cim depth off the charts wrote:

CIM was just insane, depth wise. I like these two stats:

1. A random dude ran 2:59:59 and got 649th place.

2. Mike Wardian's 2:38 would have only been good for 16th chick.

Damn. Also, Anthony Costales just dropped his pr from 2:17 high to 2:13:12 to take 4th. Talk about a breakout.

1. in NYC, there were ~1000 sub3 runners even though the course is tougher. hence, there is more depth at the NYC m. but obviously, the field is exceptionally strong around the OTQ threshold. but that's because the course is known to be easy.