Timothy Ritchie (2:11:56) And Sara Hall (2:28:10) Win 2017 USATF Marathon Championships At CIM

This is garbage, and that is why other nations are better. The object of competition, or the nature of competitiveness is to get faster, better, and stronger as a competitor. Clearly, as a nation, the men have regressed.

American women are progressing, because their mentality is to get faster and better. Sara Hall ran 3 marathons this year, and she ran a PR. Hasay blazed to 2:20, and didn't let fear take over, as she went out at a suicidal pace with Dibaba. Shalane beat possibly the greatest female marathoner of all time. Huddle has been ripping up the road with blazing times, and is preparing herself to run fast in her next marathon. Hell, even Gwen Jorgensen( misspelled), a freaking triathlete, is talking about going after the gold in the marathon, and running a blazing time without having any true marathon experience. I think she is delusional, but its' her mentality towards the goal that is impressive.

So cut the crap. Men are simply going in the other direction and are settling for mediocre performances, instead of training to be the best. American women want to be the best, and that means they are going to have to run fast to keep up with the other talented women in the world.

Time matters. Speed matters. That is why we have American records and World records. Ryan went after that, and so did Deena Kastor.

The very stuff that you spewed off is the reason why american men are declining. The mentality has become soft.

Scorpion_runner wrote:

pray, tell wrote:

Get me up to speed on this Nathan character; first I've heard of him. What are his PR's? Where'd he run in college?

;)

Ha! Fair enough.

correction: Dathan.

i wouldn't even bet on Dathan running under 2:10 . we have one (and a Meb-noxious)

Soprano wrote:

Ritchie beat out Tyler McCandless by 32-seconds with the top-10 all breaking 2:15. Hall won the women's race by over 2-minutes over Roberta Groner (2:30:38).

Top 20 results appear below.

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/937403501101101056https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/937403607581904898

More results here:

https://www.athlinks.com/event/3241/results/Event/603293/Course/1024866/Results

Malcolm Richards 2:13:30

full-time teacher. barely broke 32 for 10k in college

the great white hope of SF wrote:

Soprano wrote:

Ritchie beat out Tyler McCandless by 32-seconds with the top-10 all breaking 2:15. Hall won the women's race by over 2-minutes over Roberta Groner (2:30:38).

Top 20 results appear below.

https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/937403501101101056https://twitter.com/letsrundotcom/status/937403607581904898

More results here:

https://www.athlinks.com/event/3241/results/Event/603293/Course/1024866/Results

Malcolm Richards 2:13:30

full-time teacher. barely broke 32 for 10k in college

God Bless Malcolm.

No, your response is garbage. You're transferring your disappointment in general American distance running into sad bitterness and disparaging individuals who are going out there, giving it their all and running some fantastic races.

Employee 1.1, were you or anybody else representing letsrun go to CIM to cover the Marathon National Championship ?

sports of sorts wrote:

We still act as a minor un-professional sport. Why don't we post prize money winnings with the race results. My god this is the national champs is it not?

Tennis does it, golf does it, why don't we??

Who gets paid for their hobby?

Personally, I would much rather have an American man winning a medal at an Olympics in 2:15 than fifty Americans running 2:05 in some rabbitted, big city marathon unless one of them actually won the race. And even then I'd prefer the big slower medal winning Olympic performance.

Far Out West wrote:

Good for Ritchie but hard to get excited about US male marathoners when a guy from Norway, with a population about as large as the state of Colorado, just ran a 2:05. Our US champion would have been over a mile behind. We need 44 guys running sub 2:12 not sub 2:20.

Way more chance that Ritchie is running clean. Plus he wasn't running 13:30 as a junior.

YMMV wrote:

Far Out West wrote:

Good for Ritchie but hard to get excited about US male marathoners when a guy from Norway, with a population about as large as the state of Colorado, just ran a 2:05. Our US champion would have been over a mile behind. We need 44 guys running sub 2:12 not sub 2:20.

Way more chance that Ritchie is running clean. Plus he wasn't running 13:30 as a junior.

What is the #2 Norwegian runner? 2:16?

Doesn't matter, 2:20 is not that great of a time. It's 5 minutes slower than the women's WR. Larsen had college guys run 2:13 and 2:14 back in the 1980's with no special marathon training other than a weekly long run. It's nothing against any of these guys individually, it's just that we are not progressing.

You could also argue that since the IAAF and WADA got serious with checking Kenya/Ethiopia's doping control protocols - their male marathoners' average times have regressed as well....

HRE wrote:

Personally, I would much rather have an American man winning a medal at an Olympics in 2:15 than fifty Americans running 2:05 in some rabbitted, big city marathon unless one of them actually won the race. And even then I'd prefer the big slower medal winning Olympic performance.

You don't get remembered for winning medals. Anyone can luck up and win a medal, so many americans have done so.

Ryan Hall and ALan Webb are more legend than any american medal winner at middle and long distance ...why?

They ran fast and broke records. period. Records are forever. It means you are the only one in history to run that time. THE ONLY one, and no one else can say that . Many can say that they have won medals, but very few can say that they have broken records!

When people speak about Bolt, they talk about him being the fastest man ever, etc.

People remember times more than they remember wins and medals.

Haile focused on records in almost every marathon race, and he broke the record twice.

Hell, Hasay has more of a chance at breaking the women's marathon record than rupp does at breaking the men's marathon record.

Rupp will never ever get close to 2:02. He might not even see 2:05 or 2:06.

The men are weak, and there are too many excuses being made. They are not going for it.

I do the 5k in 20 mins. I achieved that personal best this year, and my focus is to get close to 18 or sub 18 as possible. I want that time, so I'm going to seek it. I may fail, but I will know that I truly went for it.

Sorry but amateurs care about times pros care about winning. The sport is about competition not a bunch of people time trailing near each other

Ummmm, ever heard of Mo Farah? Billy Mills? Matt MF Cenrowitz?

Once again you demonstrate having a 20-minute 5K intellect.

Ask any top runner and they will tell you that a record can be taken away any time, whereas a medal is yours forever.

Since you have zero chance of ever winning a race, it makes sense that you would focus on time. For a champion, their sole focus is on winning.

Meb Keflezighi is a more famous runner than Ryan Hall. Arguably more famous than Alan Webb, and Ritz. And those three are considered LR idols.

He won an Olympic medal, he won NY, he won Boston. All with times that would not even sniff the world or American record.

His best time was in Boston in 2014, 2:09:36 (I think??) - a time that Scorpion would laugh at and consider pathetically slow compared to the other runners he has cited.

But yet - Meb will go down as one of the greatest American marathoners ever. He beat some of the best competition in the world and in a variety of different races and conditions.

End of Argument.

In Scorpion's mind the Nike Sub2 project should be the WR and Kipchoge will only be remembered for that time. Idiot

Surely you jest.

I'm with HRE

People remember times more than they remember wins and medals. quote.

Ah...naw they don't. After a short time..it fades. Wins are huge.

The question of whether it's better to have a world record or an Olympic gold has gone on for as long as there've been both and you're entitled to your take on the answer. But when you say "Anyone can luck up and win a medal" you lose a ton of credibility. If we're talking about an Olympic medal, you have one day every four years when you can win one. If we include Worlds you get two extra chances.

Now let's look at your quest to run under 18:00 for 5km. You probably can have a go this weekend. If you come up short you can have another one next weekend, or the weekend after, or, well, you get the idea. If someone wants to have a shot at a sub 2:08 marathon in London next year and misses, he can recover and maybe have a go at doing it at Chicago or Berlin in a few months and then go back to London a few months after that. There's much more of chance of "lucking up" to such a time than there is at coming top three in an Olympics.

In his day, no one ran faster than Ron Clarke. And throughout his life he was criticized for never winning a gold medal. And do you really think Ryan Hall is more of a legend than Frank Shorter or Billy Mills? Paavo Nurmi is a legend and multiple world record holder in his day. But his best times from 1500 to 10,000 wouldn't even get him close to qualifying for the NCAA D1 championship. it's all the medals he had that made the legend.