Ran 17 mile long run at 6:00/mile pace. What can I run in the marathon.

I'm thinking you can run (17 * 6 + [26.2 - 17] * y) minutes, where y is your pace per mile for the remaining [26.2 - 17] miles.

Let me add, though, that you ran pretty well. I have trouble maintaining that pace for more than a few miles...but I'm an old, muscle-bound stud.

I didn't understand a thing of that equation

That’s the point, dingus

Yeah most people can maintain marathon pace in a training run for 10-15 miles. A lot of the pros top out at 15 miles at MP for a tempo. I would bet that rested, tapered and psyched up in a race, you could run a full mary at least at 6:00 pace, but possible between 5:45 and 5:55

I think sub-2:30, easy

That's not the point. The point is that this workout doesn't tell anything and that he can (at least) run 17 miles at 6:00/mi pace and the remaining 9.2 miles in whatever is left.

To the OP:

This workout tells us very very little.

Are you running 100 mpw and that 17 miler was the second run of the day in a tough week? And you could do the same thing tomorrow? Then this might imply you are fit enough for a low 2:2x.

Are you running 50 mpw and bang out a well-rested long run to feel confident? You might be closer to a 2:45 guy

Depednds. Did it feel like a normal long run for 12 miles or so and then the pace was comfortable the last 4 or 5. Or did you grind out most of it. You should be able to feel the effort and the pace is what it is

assumably you think you could keep 6mm up so 2;37 so a 2;35 should be easily achievable

shohohe wrote:

That's not the point. The point is that this workout doesn't tell anything and that he can (at least) run 17 miles at 6:00/mi pace and the remaining 9.2 miles in whatever is left.

To the OP:

This workout tells us very very little.

Are you running 100 mpw and that 17 miler was the second run of the day in a tough week? And you could do the same thing tomorrow? Then this might imply you are fit enough for a low 2:2x.

Are you running 50 mpw and bang out a well-rested long run to feel confident? You might be closer to a 2:45 guy

Yeah, I can vouch for your last paragraph. If you've got decent speed, you can trick yourself in runs up to like 18 miles, but you'll have fuelling issues at 20 without decent mileage.

I averaged 55 mpw this spring leading up to a marathon. Ran a 1:14 half, could cruise at 6:00 pace, but I still hit the wall at 20 miles. Went from 6:00 average at 20 miles to a 2:43 finish.

This run was at the end of a 75 mile week! No taper before the run. I would say I breathed relatively hard the whole way, but I had no problems WHATSOEVER maintaining the pace I was at, and when I finished, I could easily go straight into a jog. Of course, one workout doesn't show the whole picture. But I think this workout can be a good indicator.

djcdjfjd wrote:

This run was at the end of a 75 mile week! No taper before the run. I would say I breathed relatively hard the whole way, but I had no problems WHATSOEVER maintaining the pace I was at, and when I finished, I could easily go straight into a jog. Of course, one workout doesn't show the whole picture. But I think this workout can be a good indicator.

Sorry, same person, different names..

Norwho wrote:

This sunday I ran 17 miles at 6 min pace average, including a slow first kilometer, and some kilometres with uphill. Definitely not a hard effort, and did not strain at all towards the end. Could have easily run another 6 miles at that pace.

What can I run for the marathon? 2:35?

I would say 2:35 is about right.

Agreed. 2:35 +/-

Norwho wrote:

This sunday I ran 17 miles at 6 min pace average, including a slow first kilometer, and some kilometres with uphill. Definitely not a hard effort, and did not strain at all towards the end. Could have easily run another 6 miles at that pace.

What can I run for the marathon? 2:35?

As with most of these posts, there is nowhere near enough information to make an accurate guess.

If I'm going to guess, I'd say you could run AT LEAST the first 17 miles at roughly 6:00 pace.

In my training cycle before running 2:35, 10-12 miles at 6:00 pace was a difficult workout. No way I could have run 17 miles at 6:00 pace in a non-race situation, especially in the midst of high mileage weeks.

With that being said, it's hard to give an accurate prediction without knowing the rest of your training. If you've been getting consistent miles and are stringing together good workouts comparable to this one, then you should be able to run 2:30 on a flat course with good weather, pacing, etc.

Run the first 17 miles in 6 minute pace and then find out?

My guess is complete failure

Norwho wrote:

This sunday I ran 17 miles at 6 min pace average, including a slow first kilometer, and some kilometres with uphill. Definitely not a hard effort, and did not strain at all towards the end. Could have easily run another 6 miles at that pace.

What can I run for the marathon? 2:35?

i would say that with proper hydration and pacing you could go 2:25, granted you get some more week stacked up. 17 miles at 2:38 projected finish time, and you could easily go another 6. Perhaps you could even run the full 26 on that run on that pace? Peaked, rested, paced and race hormones: 2:25!

I was doing 16 mi training runs at 650 pace without problem and never even broke 310. After 20 miles is anyone's guess and dependent on the day. Good luck