How out of this world is Tuohy's time at NY NXN Regionals

Ghvghghughu wrote:

Hasay, Flanagan, Hall?

None of them are in the top 10 of the combined 3000/3200/2 mile HS listing. (Hasay is close): The true HS phenoms are: Cain, Efraimson, Rainsberger, Oakley, Mortensen, Bjorklund, Knights, Cuffe, Murphy, Debalsi.

I was under the impression we were discussing cross country which commonly uses 3 mile/5k distances.

WTFBBQ wrote:

Ghvghghughu wrote:

Hasay, Flanagan, Hall?

None of them are in the top 10 of the combined 3000/3200/2 mile HS listing. (Hasay is close): The true HS phenoms are: Cain, Efraimson, Rainsberger, Oakley, Mortensen, Bjorklund, Knights, Cuffe, Murphy, Debalsi.

I was under the impression we were discussing cross country which commonly uses 3 mile/5k distances.

The 5000m is rarely run in HS, therefore we used the 3000/3200/3218 instead.

That would be 2 seconds faster than the AR and only seconds off the WR--I don't think so. Even Claudia Klosterhalfen from Germany who is probably more talented than either of them has not done that by age 20. Under 4:30 or 9:40 2 mile or the metric equivalent is quite realistic though.

Klosterhalfen reminds me of Zola Budd in terms of speed, range, and talent. As good as these high school phenoms are they are not close to this level yet, e.g. sub 8:30 3000 m or sub 15 5000.

Hasay was a huge phenom. Girls are tough since they have gotten exponentially faster over the past decade but Hasay 100% belongs in any phenom category based on what she did in her era in High School. If she was around now, I doubt she would be a phenom but her era was slower so she is definitely a phenom.

NY boys shouldnt have their own NXN region, they run way slower than the Northeast region boys every year on the same course on the same day

Dyestat Rumor wrote:

Hasay was a huge phenom. Girls are tough since they have gotten exponentially faster over the past decade but Hasay 100% belongs in any phenom category based on what she did in her era in High School. If she was around now, I doubt she would be a phenom but her era was slower so she is definitely a phenom.

So her "era" allowed her to train more moderately in HS than what the girls are doing today (and still be at the top), which probably helped her long term development. We are almost at the point where we will not see a top 10 HS girl (in the combined 3000/3200 and 2 mile) improve after HS. The level is too high.

We pretty much see that on the boys side too. Only 2 US Junior boys in the top 10 of the 3000m have improved their junior times (Rupp and Derrick). You have to be incredibly talented to not train at MAX and get in top 10.

hkjhkjhlkjhklj wrote:

NY boys shouldnt have their own NXN region, they run way slower than the Northeast region boys every year on the same course on the same day

This might be true these last few years but NY boys teams have done well enough in the national meet to warrant their own qualifier. The NY schools that choose nxn every year know how to peak for the meet. The Manlius boys did it again, can you ever count them out?

Will Lane go NXN to race against the best or avoid her and run footlocker?

Then let's do something to stop the madness that leads to this. You can't tell me that it is in her long term interest to try to be her absolute best in the next year and never get better. It will crush her for a while and could lead someone to unhealthy decisions.

Indoor? wrote:

Then let's do something to stop the madness that leads to this. You can't tell me that it is in her long term interest to try to be her absolute best in the next year and never get better. It will crush her for a while and could lead someone to unhealthy decisions.

How is this madness? She is running fast. She will run fast in the next couple of years. She may even make a WC team (who knows). She will not be fast in 5 years. So what. She will be running very good times In the near future. Some people never get to run very fast.

fortune teller. wrote:

Will Lane go NXN to race against the best or avoid her and run footlocker?

Lane will already be running against the best in the country at Footlocker Nationals.

There would be no reason for her to run a low level meet just to beat one of the runners, who passed up her chance

to run at the National Championships. Besides that, Lane will be be busy next weekend at the Footlocker West Regionals.

With this being said, both of them are great high school runners, and I wish them the best with their choices.

I'm sure that both of them will continue to do well.

Ssdddddd wrote:

Indoor? wrote:

Then let's do something to stop the madness that leads to this. You can't tell me that it is in her long term interest to try to be her absolute best in the next year and never get better. It will crush her for a while and could lead someone to unhealthy decisions.

How is this madness? She is running fast. She will run fast in the next couple of years. She may even make a WC team (who knows). She will not be fast in 5 years. So what. She will be running very good times In the near future. Some people never get to run very fast.

It's madness because if she had done things the right way and been patient she might have been fast in 5 years and 6 years and so on...

If she truly is ok with just being fast for a short time and knows it's going to end soon, then I guess it's fine. My guess is she thinks things are going to keep going this way forever and there won't be setbacks and failures. Tough way to learn a life lesson.

Indoor? wrote:

It's madness because if she had done things the right way and been patient she might have been fast in 5 years and 6 years and so on...

If she truly is ok with just being fast for a short time and knows it's going to end soon, then I guess it's fine. My guess is she thinks things are going to keep going this way forever and there won't be setbacks and failures. Tough way to learn a life lesson.

Not everyone's life goals are to be a professional runner. Perhaps she wants to do it as well as she can for now. We don't know her motivations.

Have you guys watched her run? This girl is a phenomenal athlete. She moves "like a boy". She's not just some super skinny girl with horrible mechanics and huge lungs that is a train wreck waiting to happen. You don't need to shelter someone that you don't know and quite honestly can't even relate with. She is a world class talent. Part of that talent is her aggression and drive. You can't take that away from her. Best they can do is try to reign it in and by all accounts that's what they've been trying to do with treating races as fartleks and such. We'll see what she can really do if she goes to worlds.

Indoor? wrote:

Ssdddddd wrote:

How is this madness? She is running fast. She will run fast in the next couple of years. She may even make a WC team (who knows). She will not be fast in 5 years. So what. She will be running very good times In the near future. Some people never get to run very fast.

It's madness because if she had done things the right way and been patient she might have been fast in 5 years and 6 years and so on...

If she truly is ok with just being fast for a short time and knows it's going to end soon, then I guess it's fine. My guess is she thinks things are going to keep going this way forever and there won't be setbacks and failures. Tough way to learn a life lesson.

November 26th, 2017 - Indoor? says that she will never finish in the top 10 at NCAA XC or make NCAA track nationals. I will either be right or wrong.

You're right though, I'm sure her goals are to be done with running after just a few years, I'm sure only running fast now is what motivates her.

Gybgbybgy wrote:

Tea time wrote:

You do know she ran faster on the same course last week

If so, I am assuming that the conditions were slower today, as her 16:52.4 would have put her 24th on the boys side (and only 16 seconds out of the top 10).

Or she was taking it easier

Jeez, you people have no idea whether or not she is even for one going all out, and two how hard she trains

All this speculation is just cancerous and is why when any prodigy gets injured and has a rough patch they just quit, alls these girls get is negativity from basement dwellers on this site trying to tear them down, it's absolutely disgusting

Tuohy took her foot off the gas at 4K last weekend, knowing she had the race in hand and that she'll get after it in Portland. Coach Diglio is not training or racing her into the ground. I believe her weekly mileage is in the 40's. It probably also helps she's got an older brother(senior) who is no slouch to train with. If Tuohy wins this weekend, look for her to switch to Foot Locker one or both of her last two years.

The idiots on these message boards drive me crazy. You guys have ruined more female runners with your nonsense. Men have an easy hormonal transition, as testosterone progresses up. Women go through a normalizing of their hormones, which takes place between 18-22. Some of them won't make it as they get boobs and butts, but some will. Although in America, we bash them and make them feel like losers. I do enjoy the prediction game, so here we go:

Efraimson – 6 races at 4:06 and faster last year, will run 4:01 this year

Rainsberger – Looks to be a World Class 5k runner

Aragon – Could be equal to Efraimson

Cranny – Talented and balanced, we’ll see

Murphy – Not sure she has the mental make up, to emotion and immature

Cain – Not Sure, but has talent. Needs to play more chess

Hasay, Flanagan, Hall all made it! Studs! Not every American athlete will win a gold. So we need to adjust our expectations!