Good point - The Chinese, Japanese, and Indian space programs have all imaged Apollo landing sites and either released the images or verbally confirmed their existence. I know the US dominates global politics so it would be “trivial” to get the whole world to lie for us… but at some point we are approach Bad Wigins’ scenarios - everything is fake and a simulation! If this is the argument. I have no response.
I haven't participated in this debate yet. I don't know if I'm 'on the side' of anyone posting here. However, I doubt your claim of the existence of: decent pictures showing various landing sites with a resolution clearly showing all the go-karts, tire tracks, golf clubs, landing modules, golf balls, footprints, poop bags, etc. that are supposedly sitting around there....without a NASA credit or byline. I'm not saying that stuff is or isn't there. I'm saying that every picture of any of it is credited to NASA. Nobody else is showing any such thing.
Given that I have no dog in this fight, and I am not offended by any side presenting what they consider 'evidence', please post the pictures in question. At least one each Indian, Chinese, and Japanese. Just one each, all of the same site, would be a bare minimum (that's actually a stretch). And keep in mind a lot of people including full believers claim that only NASA has pics of their sites and debris. I certainly will not be offended by any such posts or links. In fact, to the contrary, I find the topic interesting enough to have clicked on the thread. So really, it comes down to this:
Let's see 9 or more photos, none of which were taken by or have been published by NASA, from 3 or more foreign sources, showing each of the Apollo landing sites....or I don't buy what you're claiming. That is not the same as saying I don't believe the whole story. I simply don't accept that anyone outside of the US government has anything that could even remotely consitute proof. I would actually like to see this stuff. I think it's fascinating. I also don't consider lack of such to be proof of fakery. It IS, however, proof that your claim is nonsense.
I have posted it multiple times. You arent going to get "go karts and tire tracks" from anything but NASA's LRO. But Indias Chandrayaan-2 has both Apollo 11 and Apollo 12's landers readily visible:
Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings is evidence, or analysis of evidence, about the Moon landings that does not come from either NASA or the U.S. government (the first party), or the Apollo Moon landing hoax theoris...
I guess the point is that imagining the moon just isn't a desirable options, and not worth the $200M it would take to get a good orbiter up these days. NASA has the best one up there now, and no other countries really see the need to do it; since NASA shares.
Can you guys start actually debating again instead of posting stupid ad hominem oneliners? This thread got boring. Give me some nutjob paranoid spice and some righteous intellectual rage
I haven't participated in this debate yet. I don't know if I'm 'on the side' of anyone posting here. However, I doubt your claim of the existence of: decent pictures showing various landing sites with a resolution clearly showing all the go-karts, tire tracks, golf clubs, landing modules, golf balls, footprints, poop bags, etc. that are supposedly sitting around there....without a NASA credit or byline. I'm not saying that stuff is or isn't there. I'm saying that every picture of any of it is credited to NASA. Nobody else is showing any such thing.
Given that I have no dog in this fight, and I am not offended by any side presenting what they consider 'evidence', please post the pictures in question. At least one each Indian, Chinese, and Japanese. Just one each, all of the same site, would be a bare minimum (that's actually a stretch). And keep in mind a lot of people including full believers claim that only NASA has pics of their sites and debris. I certainly will not be offended by any such posts or links. In fact, to the contrary, I find the topic interesting enough to have clicked on the thread. So really, it comes down to this:
Let's see 9 or more photos, none of which were taken by or have been published by NASA, from 3 or more foreign sources, showing each of the Apollo landing sites....or I don't buy what you're claiming. That is not the same as saying I don't believe the whole story. I simply don't accept that anyone outside of the US government has anything that could even remotely consitute proof. I would actually like to see this stuff. I think it's fascinating. I also don't consider lack of such to be proof of fakery. It IS, however, proof that your claim is nonsense.
I have posted it multiple times. You arent going to get "go karts and tire tracks" from anything but NASA's LRO.
So your answer is.... no.
You posted some grainy photo from behind a paywall in India. And then the Wikipedia you posted claims that Chang'e 2 photographed the moon to a resolution of 1.3 meters, which, is plenty. But then it states: "It claims to have spotted traces of the Apollo landings and the lunar Rover, though the relevant imagery has not been publicly identified."
Wonder why that is?
Maybe because this:
"NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter captured an image of China's Chang'e 5 lander on the moon just hours after its historic landing."
None of the deniers have actually gone on record with a prediction of the success of the Artemis or SpaceX programs! I’ll start.
Facts:
Artemis I sent the new capsule around the moon. Artemis II is scheduled to for Nov 2024 and plans to send 4 astronauts around the moon for the first time since Apollo 17 in 1972.
Required predictions to continue in this thread (Rojo endorsed):
1) Will Artemis II launch in 2024 or when (if ever) will it launch
2) Will Artemis II make it to the moon
3) Will Artemis II be manned or will this be faked? 4) If Artemis II is manned, will they return safe or will they die a horrible death in the Van Allen belts?
My responses:
1) NO, but it will launch in 2025
2) YES
3) YES
4) YES
And this has what to do with man walking (and having dune buggy races) on the moon 50+ years ago?
Or have you given up on that? 😂
Hey! Look! Squirrel! Let’s talk about the Golden Gate Bridge. 👍
I have posted it multiple times. You arent going to get "go karts and tire tracks" from anything but NASA's LRO.
So your answer is.... no.
You posted some grainy photo from behind a paywall in India. And then the Wikipedia you posted claims that Chang'e 2 photographed the moon to a resolution of 1.3 meters, which, is plenty. But then it states: "It claims to have spotted traces of the Apollo landings and the lunar Rover, though the relevant imagery has not been publicly identified."
Wonder why that is?
Maybe because this:
"NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter captured an image of China's Chang'e 5 lander on the moon just hours after its historic landing."
Where I'm from, we call that a Quid Pro Quo.
The answer is yes, the indian images look great! It's not behind a paywall, what? Just sign up! Took me 3 minutes.
I even linked to a tweet that pulled the two lander photos for you.
The party line seems to be deny - deny - deny. Keep it up!
I will just wait until Artemis 2, and then we can revisit this, no?
None of the deniers have actually gone on record with a prediction of the success of the Artemis or SpaceX programs! I’ll start.
Facts:
Artemis I sent the new capsule around the moon. Artemis II is scheduled to for Nov 2024 and plans to send 4 astronauts around the moon for the first time since Apollo 17 in 1972.
Required predictions to continue in this thread (Rojo endorsed):
1) Will Artemis II launch in 2024 or when (if ever) will it launch
2) Will Artemis II make it to the moon
3) Will Artemis II be manned or will this be faked? 4) If Artemis II is manned, will they return safe or will they die a horrible death in the Van Allen belts?
My responses:
1) NO, but it will launch in 2025
2) YES
3) YES
4) YES
And this has what to do with man walking (and having dune buggy races) on the moon 50+ years ago?
Or have you given up on that? 😂
Hey! Look! Squirrel! Let’s talk about the Golden Gate Bridge. 👍
A lot of the other deniers claim out-of-low-orbit travel impossible, so this is an important ideological test. If you don't think so, feel free to make your predictions accordingly.
Knowing where everyone stands is key to reaching a consensus here - rojo said so.
If you refuse to go on the record with your beliefs... well we know what that means; best to avoid that.
Can you guys start actually debating again instead of posting stupid ad hominem oneliners? This thread got boring. Give me some nutjob paranoid spice and some righteous intellectual rage
I haven't participated in this debate yet. I don't know if I'm 'on the side' of anyone posting here. However, I doubt your claim of the existence of: decent pictures showing various landing sites with a resolution clearly showing all the go-karts, tire tracks, golf clubs, landing modules, golf balls, footprints, poop bags, etc. that are supposedly sitting around there....without a NASA credit or byline. I'm not saying that stuff is or isn't there. I'm saying that every picture of any of it is credited to NASA. Nobody else is showing any such thing.
Given that I have no dog in this fight, and I am not offended by any side presenting what they consider 'evidence', please post the pictures in question. At least one each Indian, Chinese, and Japanese. Just one each, all of the same site, would be a bare minimum (that's actually a stretch). And keep in mind a lot of people including full believers claim that only NASA has pics of their sites and debris. I certainly will not be offended by any such posts or links. In fact, to the contrary, I find the topic interesting enough to have clicked on the thread. So really, it comes down to this:
Let's see 9 or more photos, none of which were taken by or have been published by NASA, from 3 or more foreign sources, showing each of the Apollo landing sites....or I don't buy what you're claiming. That is not the same as saying I don't believe the whole story. I simply don't accept that anyone outside of the US government has anything that could even remotely consitute proof. I would actually like to see this stuff. I think it's fascinating. I also don't consider lack of such to be proof of fakery. It IS, however, proof that your claim is nonsense.
I have posted it multiple times. You arent going to get "go karts and tire tracks" from anything but NASA's LRO. But Indias Chandrayaan-2 has both Apollo 11 and Apollo 12's landers readily visible:
I guess the point is that imagining the moon just isn't a desirable options, and not worth the $200M it would take to get a good orbiter up these days. NASA has the best one up there now, and no other countries really see the need to do it; since NASA shares.
Are you sure those just aren’t b/w photos you took of your pimply a$$?
I can’t believe you just posted that as your “evidence.” You are the gift that keeps on giving. Thank you. Thank you Thank you.
You posted some grainy photo from behind a paywall in India. And then the Wikipedia you posted claims that Chang'e 2 photographed the moon to a resolution of 1.3 meters, which, is plenty. But then it states: "It claims to have spotted traces of the Apollo landings and the lunar Rover, though the relevant imagery has not been publicly identified."
Wonder why that is?
Maybe because this:
"NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter captured an image of China's Chang'e 5 lander on the moon just hours after its historic landing."
Where I'm from, we call that a Quid Pro Quo.
The answer is yes, the indian images look great! It's not behind a paywall, what? Just sign up! Took me 3 minutes.
Man, you’re going to get every call center in India calling you now.
“This is Brad from the Microsoft. We have detected a viruses on your computer. Do you have any Target gift cards?”
And this has what to do with man walking (and having dune buggy races) on the moon 50+ years ago?
Or have you given up on that? 😂
Hey! Look! Squirrel! Let’s talk about the Golden Gate Bridge. 👍
A lot of the other deniers claim out-of-low-orbit travel impossible, so this is an important ideological test. If you don't think so, feel free to make your predictions accordingly.
Knowing where everyone stands is key to reaching a consensus here - rojo said so.
If you refuse to go on the record with your beliefs... well we know what that means; best to avoid that.
On the record, my belief is that you are an idiot. There is a consensus on that.
A lot of the other deniers claim out-of-low-orbit travel impossible, so this is an important ideological test. If you don't think so, feel free to make your predictions accordingly.
Knowing where everyone stands is key to reaching a consensus here - rojo said so.
If you refuse to go on the record with your beliefs... well we know what that means; best to avoid that.
On the record, my belief is that you are an idiot. There is a consensus on that.
