Definition of: Mediocre, Decent, Good, Sub-Elite, and Elite in High School

studboye wrote:

What are the distance (800, 3200, 1600) cutoffs for being considered: Mediocre, Decent, Good, Sub-Elite, and Elite etc. in High School

800 - mediocre - 2:05, decent - 201, good - 1:58, sub elite - 1:54, elite - 1;51 and below

hmm... how bout 1600/3200 times?

1600 (mediocre to elite)

4:45

4:35

4:25

4:15

4:08

3200

10:15

9:50

9:30

9:08

8:58

800

2:40

2:35

2:25

2:20

2:15

If you're below the 2:15 cutoff you're elite. If you're below 2:20 but above 2:15 you're sub elite. Etc etc etc.

1600

6:00

5:45

5:30

5:15

5:05

3200

12:30

12:00

11:30

11:00

10:45

Subtract 10% from each time to arrive at male equivalent. Or use those IAAF tables.

Wow dips**t. The whole point of this post is finding out other people's opinions, not validating your own,

studboye wrote:

Wow dips**t. The whole point of this post is finding out other people's opinions, not validating your own,

that was directed at RejectRunner lol my bad

studboye wrote:

studboye wrote:

Wow dips**t. The whole point of this post is finding out other people's opinions, not validating your own,

that was directed at RejectRunner lol my bad

For Sub-Elite and Elite, I would just use the New Balance Nationals guidelines for Emerging Elite (sub-elite) and Championship (elite) races

So for Sub-Elite:

1:54

4:17

9:20

and Elite:

1:52

4:11.xx

9:12

Mediocre AKA JV Superstar: 2:10, 5:00, 10:50/ 2:40,6:00, 13:00

Decent: 2:05, 4:45, 10:20/ 2:30, 5:40, 12:20 Not bad, could be the best runner on a weak team. May be mid- pack in your Conference/County type meet.

Good 2:00, 4:30, 10:00/ 2:20, 5:20, 11:40 In some areas these are school records and are basically seen as elite but overall they are just good. May get you into some decent invites. May qualify you for states in some areas.

Sub-Elite 1:56, 4:20, 9:30/ 2:14, 5:05, 11:00 will be mid-pack for larger divisions at state meets, good chance at winning for smaller divisions.

Elite 1:53, 4:12, 9:10/ 2:10, 4:55, 10:40 State Champ Caliber, Nations qualifier. Will get you in all the big invitations

Mzungu 15:00

Mediocre 14:00

Not Bad 13:50

OK 13:40

Good 13:30

Sub Elite 13:20

Elite 13:10

First place: Winner

Second place through DFL: Losers

I'll list for female 800m. Since there are the rare 18 year olds who are Olympic/WC ready, I'll start from the top:

Sub-1:55, nearly guaranteed Olympic/WC medal

Sub-2:00, shoe contract. Straight from high school to Nike or Adidas

Sub-2:05, NCAA D1, nearly guaranteed

Sub-2:10, D1, most likely

Sub-2:15, possibly D1, D2, nearly guaranteed

Sub-2:20, most likely D2, D3 will love to have you

Sub-2:25, possibly D2, most likely D3

Sub-2:30, possibly D3

Sub-2:35, nearly guaranteed high school varsity letter

Sub-2:40, most likely high school varsity letter

Sub-2:45, possible high school varsity letter

I used to run faster wrote:

I'll list for female 800m. Since there are the rare 18 year olds who are Olympic/WC ready, I'll start from the top:

Sub-1:55, nearly guaranteed Olympic/WC medal

Sub-2:00, shoe contract. Straight from high school to Nike or Adidas

Sub-2:05, NCAA D1, nearly guaranteed

Sub-2:10, D1, most likely

Sub-2:15, possibly D1, D2, nearly guaranteed

Sub-2:20, most likely D2, D3 will love to have you

Sub-2:25, possibly D2, most likely D3

Sub-2:30, possibly D3

Sub-2:35, nearly guaranteed high school varsity letter

Sub-2:40, most likely high school varsity letter

Sub-2:45, possible high school varsity letter

Yeah, I agree that if you run sub-1:55 as a high school girl, you are nearly guaranteed an Olympic medal.

Interesting.

What does anyone out there think about 10km? That was my primary event in HS so I'm curious what is considered good.

YMMV wrote:

I used to run faster wrote:

I'll list for female 800m. Since there are the rare 18 year olds who are Olympic/WC ready, I'll start from the top:

Sub-1:55, nearly guaranteed Olympic/WC medal

Sub-2:00, shoe contract. Straight from high school to Nike or Adidas

Sub-2:05, NCAA D1, nearly guaranteed

Sub-2:10, D1, most likely

Sub-2:15, possibly D1, D2, nearly guaranteed

Sub-2:20, most likely D2, D3 will love to have you

Sub-2:25, possibly D2, most likely D3

Sub-2:30, possibly D3

Sub-2:35, nearly guaranteed high school varsity letter

Sub-2:40, most likely high school varsity letter

Sub-2:45, possible high school varsity letter

Yeah, I agree that if you run sub-1:55 as a high school girl, you are nearly guaranteed an Olympic medal.

Let's just run through the list of all those 1:54 high school girls real quick and check how many of them won Olympic medals. :D

TrackBot where you at?!

I listed eleven levels. The top level has created some interest. Is the top level incorrect? 2012 Olympics, men 800m final, a few teenagers raced well that day. I am sure it is possible teenage females may race at a very elite level in an Olympic 800m final. We have seen teenage females race 400m in 52 seconds. Why is it out of the question for a teenage female to average 57.45 per lap for 800m?

I used to run faster wrote:

I listed eleven levels. The top level has created some interest. Is the top level incorrect? 2012 Olympics, men 800m final, a few teenagers raced well that day. I am sure it is possible teenage females may race at a very elite level in an Olympic 800m final. We have seen teenage females race 400m in 52 seconds. Why is it out of the question for a teenage female to average 57.45 per lap for 800m?

That's kinda... 2 seconds faster than the AR...

I used to run faster wrote:

I listed eleven levels. The top level has created some interest. Is the top level incorrect? 2012 Olympics, men 800m final, a few teenagers raced well that day. I am sure it is possible teenage females may race at a very elite level in an Olympic 800m final. We have seen teenage females race 400m in 52 seconds. Why is it out of the question for a teenage female to average 57.45 per lap for 800m?

Considering that no high school girl has ever broken 1:59, 1:54 seems rather exclusive. But you are not wrong.

I am well aware of US records. If you raced 800m in high school or college, you know individuals who are or were able to average five seconds slower than than their 400m PB in a 800m race. Do you care to comment on my other ten levels? Put your list out there.