Kevin Castille set a M 45-49 age group world record in the 10K on the roads today

Masterblaster13 wrote:

It's cool to see the different perspectives.

The slightly younger guys might not think sub 30 in a 10k on the roads is that impressive, but once your post college that is flying. I know plenty of college kids that struggle to break 30 and only do it a few times in there entire college career. It is fast...........At 45+ it's almost impossible.

So how does Kevin stay motivated, lean, what's his daily routine, diet, favorite workouts?

Drugs or no drugs how is running that freaky fast and healthy?

Well the article says Kevin runs 120 miles a week.. But how does a 45-year old train 120 miles a week of quality running and not ever get injured? And he displays no fatigue in races. Those to me are clear signs of doping. Hope it's not true.

DartsinEyes wrote:

Well the article says Kevin runs 120 miles a week.. But how does a 45-year old train 120 miles a week of quality running and not ever get injured? And he displays no fatigue in races. Those to me are clear signs of doping. Hope it's not true.

I don't think that's a good rationale for finger pointing. I used to run with a guy who would routinely put 3000 miles on a pair of trainers and never get hurt. Never had an injury in 20 years of running despite hitting 120 mpw for much of that time. That streak has extended well into his 40s. Ever see the movie Unbreakable? Some people are Mr. Glass. Others are Bruce MF Willis.

DartsinEyes wrote:

Masterblaster13 wrote:

It's cool to see the different perspectives.

The slightly younger guys might not think sub 30 in a 10k on the roads is that impressive, but once your post college that is flying. I know plenty of college kids that struggle to break 30 and only do it a few times in there entire college career. It is fast...........At 45+ it's almost impossible.

So how does Kevin stay motivated, lean, what's his daily routine, diet, favorite workouts?

Drugs or no drugs how is running that freaky fast and healthy?

Well the article says Kevin runs 120 miles a week.. But how does a 45-year old train 120 miles a week of quality running and not ever get injured? And he displays no fatigue in races. Those to me are clear signs of doping. Hope it's not true.

What's the dude's height & weight? Is he a flyweight with good biomechanics and a low injury history? It's probably great genetics that allows him to run 120 mpw (imagine that. It wouldn't be the first time that a middle-aged speedster has great genetics that allows for high-volume training w/o injuries. ?

Even if he is light, hard working, motivated, and can train without getting injured...the guy is 45. How many people you know aged 40 plus are hitting times like he is and setting pr’s? I’m not talking a guy who just started running...I’m not talking fast times, I’m talking times that are damn fast for any age. And these times are race after race, week after week...at 45?

If this doesn’t seem a little fishy to you I’d be surprised. Props if he isn’t on something but it’s hard not to question...

He could be an outlier. I don't think his age at 45 is that much of a concern. All of the studies I've seen show at age 50 the aging process with pronounced degenerative changes really start to occur with athletes. If Castille was 55 instead of 45, and training & racing like this, then I think you've got a valid point.

Ya, no questions until he’s 55, definitely not a 45 crushing records week after week. That would be silly, there’s lots of 45 year old 1:03 halfers and 29 min 10k’ers.

C'mon man...45 yr Kenyans running those times come a dime a dozen. I also heard Canova say once that there are 50 yr Kenyan taxicab drivers who run sizzling times. Maybe Castille has got some of those Kenyan running genes.

Kenyan Running Genes wrote:

C'mon man...45 yr Kenyans running those times come a dime a dozen. I also heard Canova say once that there are 50 yr Kenyan taxicab drivers who run sizzling times. Maybe Castille has got some of those Kenyan running genes.

True. I guess it would be more far-fetched if he was white. Seriously.

It could be those who outlast everyone very well are "gifted" with a body that don't get injured. It doesn't mean you will run faster in your prime but you can continue to train past 40s with no parts breaking down. In that sense, Bob Kennedy has to be the worst of the worst. Absolute best runner in his prime but total zhit hobby jogger now. Maybe that is the way he was built. While Castille may have been a notch below Kennedy if he competed in 20s but his body allows him to compete almost at that level now.

Don't Be Sanctimonious wrote:

What kind of sanctimonious nonsense is this? If an old fart who starts on TRT and if he competes, obtains a RCTUE, how can that be cheating? And what about caffeine, a scientifically proven performance enhancer, that's competely legal to use? Or creatine....a legal supplement that can improve performance.

And there's a new study that just came out showing that the pain killer med Tramadol apparently has some performance enhancing effects. Tramadol is not banned by WADA (watch list currently) and is reportedly widely used/abused by pro cyclists. So, there's a lot of performance enchancing substances out there not banned by WADA that no one's whining about - just the TRT issue. How stupid & sanctimonious!

First off you can't get a TUE for "low" T that is simply a result of aging, so any old fart on T that competes is a cheater.

Second, it doesn't matter if you don't agree with the list of banned substances, the list is the list. Cheating is cheating.

Don't Be Sanctimonious wrote:

What kind of sanctimonious nonsense is this? If an old fart who starts on TRT and if he competes, obtains a RCTUE, how can that be cheating? And what about caffeine, a scientifically proven performance enhancer, that's competely legal to use? Or creatine....a legal supplement that can improve performance.

And there's a new study that just came out showing that the pain killer med Tramadol apparently has some performance enhancing effects. Tramadol is not banned by WADA (watch list currently) and is reportedly widely used/abused by pro cyclists. So, there's a lot of performance enchancing substances out there not banned by WADA that no one's whining about - just the TRT issue. How stupid & sanctimonious!

This entire argument is BULLSHIT!

There's clear differences between taking something that is not banned (but may be someday)

and

taking something that's banned for most people (T) because you get an EXEMPTION for it.

Do you even THINK before you start SPOUTING this CRAP???????

45 is definitely a concern. If it wasn't you'd see at least a few dozen Kevin Castilles running around.

Regardless he is a freak. I have met maybe a handful of guys ever that fast over 40. Also most of them were world class. His times are not a dime a dozen. He was one of maybe 2-3 guys at the marathon trials that was over 40.

The idea that just becasuse Kenya might have 100s of Kevin's is irrelevant. They als have 100's of 2:07 guys and we have maybe 5.

Given his history and character it wouldn't be a surprise if he got busted.

Remember that guy Eddy H. and all his 'amazing' masters performances?

You guys are very foolish to think guys in their 40s drop these kinds of times

through hard work, talent and plain bread and water.

It is so obvious.

Kenyan Running Genes wrote:

I also heard Canova say once that...

I also heard Canova say once that you don't need any red blood cells to succeed in running, just leukocyctes and plasma.

OK, he didn't say that exactly, but he's said all manner of garbage just as laughable.

Renato is beyond shady and it won't be too many more years before this becomes common, indisputable knowledge.

So the lesson is, when you introduce the name "Renato Canova" into any thread involving doping accusations, you're pretty much handing the "he's dirty" side a couple of tactical nukes and n RPG or three.

Maybe I'm nieve but doping or not he must have massive talent and a body made of steal.

No amount of drugs could help me run 120 miles per week and stay healthy and motivated

Totally agreed. Do any of us have proof? No. Does it pass the sniff test? No again. We have seen time and time again runners who were too good to be true, though there was no hard evidence of wrongdoing. In some cases evidence later comes out but more often than not it doesn't since the tests are too easy to beat. It amazes me that so many people, especially the ones who have been around and followed the sport for decades, continue to be willing to stick with "innocent until proven guilty" against all logic. No, Castille can't be sanctioned based on suspicions, but we shouldn't lionize the guy just because he hasn't failed a drug test or confessed (yet).

RUNard wrote:

Given his history and character it wouldn't be a surprise if he got busted.

Remember that guy Eddy H. and all his 'amazing' masters performances?

You guys are very foolish to think guys in their 40s drop these kinds of times

through hard work, talent and plain bread and water.

It is so obvious.

Coached Fitness Blogger wrote:

I also heard Canova say once that you don't need any red blood cells to succeed in running, just leukocyctes and plasma.

OK, he didn't say that exactly, but he's said all manner of garbage just as laughable.

Renato is beyond shady and it won't be too many more years before this becomes common, indisputable knowledge.

So the lesson is, when you introduce the name "Renato Canova" into any thread involving doping accusations, you're pretty much handing the "he's dirty" side a couple of tactical nukes and n RPG or three.

Do you have any evidence for your accusations? Btw, do you know that Canova frequently posts on this forum? (other than coaching Kenyans, I've haven't seen any shred of evidence that he's "shady"). Aren't you concerned with slander if you're making false allegations without any evidence against a world renowned coach?

RUNard wrote:

You guys are very foolish to think guys in their 40s drop these kinds of times

through hard work, talent and plain bread and water.

Bernie Lagat is...so there!

pwoefklfjas;ldkj wrote:

First off you can't get a TUE for "low" T that is simply a result of aging, so any old fart on T that competes is a cheater.

You're wrong (again)...so quit posting your foolish nonsense. Read the case of masters sprinter Greg Pizza: Tests positive for T at a championship event and is given a 4 yr whack. He appeals based on the fact that he is using TRT under a doctors care for "low T," and further contends that he didn't know he needed a TUE. USADA agrees and rescinds the 4 yr whack to 20 mos:

Also, since 2016, USADA allows for a "recreational competitor" TUE (RCTUE) for T and/or steriods:

pwoefklfjas;ldkj wrote:

Second, it doesn't matter if you don't agree with the list of banned substances, the list is the list. Cheating is cheating.

Negative...if you have a TUE...it's not cheating! That's why they're called EXEMPTIONS! (and the elites get them all the time ).?