Wisco and OK State have similar stories (not identical)
Dave Days wrote:
Its the new generation of Millenial atheletes coming up, they are all a bunch of snowflake pansies who can't hang with hard workouts like bad*sses in the past ie. German Hernadez could.
good pt wrote:
Not sure if I entirely agree with you there. They had some damn good americans too: German Fernandez and Colby Lowe
How can you guys talk about Smith successes and not immediately mention Ryan Vail?
It is too bad that these athletes are wasting their college careers running for Dave. Even the Americans that OSU does get are pretty talented guys who I'm sure would develop into elite runners somewhere else. I personally know a runner on the team and he has told me some similar things about Smith. Thanks for giving us your point of view.
This obvious Dave? wrote:
whoever wrote that last message is definitely Dave Smith or someone within Ok state's organization. How else would he be able to comment on the team culture which he had been harping about all season. However the culture problem does not arise from the athletes it arises from the hubris of the coaching staff.
Katey B. wrote:
German is a volunteer coach now at OK. Why would he go back?
Long since removed wrote:
I already posted on this thread under this same handle but feel the need to say a bit more since so many other posts have been deleted. I'll again have to choose my words carefully since any post that gives explicit details about Dave gets deleted, so just keep in mind this is an extremely watered down version of what I would like to say and what I would tell you in person.
What recruits see on their visits is carefully fabricated fantasy. That is why so much naive talent goes there. The reality turns out to be very different. Many recruits felt they were lied to about a lot of different things, not just given a skewed impression but straight up lied to. Also, saying Dave treats his athletes badly is an enormous understatement. Anyone who behaved the way he does to other full grown men rather than powerless 19-year-old kids would have their head knocked off. No one deserves to put up with that kind of treatment. Apparently little Davey has some self-esteem and ego issues so he's doing what he can to feel important. No one respects a person who acts like that though.
The training is BAD. Dave is actually a pretty intelligent guy, so it's hard to understand why the training is so poor. Being berated daily before, during, and after workouts while being run into the ground makes it hard to keep a positive attitude also. Personally, my body was never the same after running at OSU, and I, like most, did not even last very long. I developed chronic fatigue syndrome and was never able to train like I could in high school, so even after transferring I was never the same. There are probably more than 100 others like me by now. We are the rule. Vail is the exception.
It's good to see others speak out and the program fail. Karma eventually catches up to everyone. It is only starting to catch up to Dave.