Camille Herron DESTROYS 100mi women's world record by running 12:42 - old record 13:45

Hard packed dirt with finely crushed stone. Not a 'soft' surface, unless all that word means is 'not paved.' For running an ultra, especially a long ultra such as this 100-mile race, this is an ideal surface.

If you are being serious you are an idiot.

She impressively bested Trason's 100mi record but her "huge Comrades win" was 13 minutes slower than Trason's win in the same up direction.

And let's compare their Western States records:

Trason: 14 Wins. 2 Drops

Herron: 1 Drop

Yeah, totally caught up to Ann...

UltraDude wrote:

Camille's record counts as a road record, and not a track record, so it was Ann Trason's record that she broke. Gina's 13:45 still stands as the track 100mi WR.

I don't think there are distinctions between road and track results anymore for ultraraces.

Top Marathon runners will not be good at ultraraces. Period. This is a totally different thing.

Just like a 1500 m runner and a 10k runner.

A to 10 k runner might move up to Marathon and does very well. But not to ultras.

A couple very good Marathon runners had some great results up to 100k but never longer.

DIRTY_XL wrote:

If you are being serious you are an idiot.

She impressively bested Trason's 100mi record but her "huge Comrades win" was 13 minutes slower than Trason's win in the same up direction.

And let's compare their Western States records:

Trason: 14 Wins. 2 Drops

Herron: 1 Drop

Yeah, totally caught up to Ann...

Exactly. Camille is a great runner but a Ann Trason she is not.

DIRTY_XL wrote:

If you are being serious you are an idiot.

She impressively bested Trason's 100mi record but her "huge Comrades win" was 13 minutes slower than Trason's win in the same up direction.

And let's compare their Western States records:

Trason: 14 Wins. 2 Drops

Herron: 1 Drop

Yeah, totally caught up to Ann...

You are forgetting Camille's world 100K win, her 50 mile WR, her numerous marathon wins. She blew away Ann's 100 record by over an hour.

Ann competed in a weaker era. 14 WS wins is fantastic, but is basically an attendance record for an athlete of their quality. I think if they both were in their prime today, Ann would easily win on trails, but Camille would blow her out on the roads.

It's taken decades, but the sport has caught up.

YMMV wrote:

DIRTY_XL wrote:

If you are being serious you are an idiot.

She impressively bested Trason's 100mi record but her "huge Comrades win" was 13 minutes slower than Trason's win in the same up direction.

And let's compare their Western States records:

Trason: 14 Wins. 2 Drops

Herron: 1 Drop

Yeah, totally caught up to Ann...

You are forgetting Camille's world 100K win, her 50 mile WR, her numerous marathon wins. She blew away Ann's 100 record by over an hour.

Ann competed in a weaker era. 14 WS wins is fantastic, but is basically an attendance record for an athlete of their quality. I think if they both were in their prime today, Ann would easily win on trails, but Camille would blow her out on the roads.

It's taken decades, but the sport has caught up.

So the only thing we have to compare is Comrades which Ann ran faster.

Which is a road race.

DIRTY_XL wrote:

YMMV wrote:

You are forgetting Camille's world 100K win, her 50 mile WR, her numerous marathon wins. She blew away Ann's 100 record by over an hour.

Ann competed in a weaker era. 14 WS wins is fantastic, but is basically an attendance record for an athlete of their quality. I think if they both were in their prime today, Ann would easily win on trails, but Camille would blow her out on the roads.

It's taken decades, but the sport has caught up.

So the only thing we have to compare is Comrades which Ann ran faster.

Which is a road race.

An uphill road race. Camille is a taller athlete, I suspect she will do much better on the downhill version if she does it. Or if she wins WS in this more competitive era, that would be huge.

She is at least in the consideration, which I am sure is a life's dream for her.

YMMV wrote:

Ann competed in a weaker era. 14 WS wins is fantastic, but is basically an attendance record for an athlete of their quality. I think if they both were in their prime today, Ann would easily win on trails, but Camille would blow her out on the roads.

It's taken decades, but the sport has caught up.

Yeah right, let's just look at Ann's winning times real quick.

Ann's slowest win was19:44 h (out of 14!!!), already the second slowest with 19:03 was faster than the 2015 and 17 wins.

YMMV wrote:

DIRTY_XL wrote:

So the only thing we have to compare is Comrades which Ann ran faster.

Which is a road race.

An uphill road race. Camille is a taller athlete, I suspect she will do much better on the downhill version if she does it. Or if she wins WS in this more competitive era, that would be huge.

She is at least in the consideration, which I am sure is a life's dream for her.

Guess you forgot the caveats when you said she equaled Ann for GOAT. Now I don't think you're an idiot.

Runner 1547 wrote:

Top Marathon runners will not be good at ultraraces. Period. This is a totally different thing.

It is ignorant to make such a dogmatic claim. Top marathoners, in their prime, are typically not competing in ultras, since they don't have the opportunity for financial support that the marathon does. One example of a very good marathoner that chose to follow her marathon career into ultra's is Magdalena Boulet, who has a marathon PR of 2:26:22, and won Western States at the age of 41.

DIRTY_XL wrote:

YMMV wrote:

An uphill road race. Camille is a taller athlete, I suspect she will do much better on the downhill version if she does it. Or if she wins WS in this more competitive era, that would be huge.

She is at least in the consideration, which I am sure is a life's dream for her.

Guess you forgot the caveats when you said she equaled Ann for GOAT. Now I don't think you're an idiot.

I am an idiot on occasion, just not when posting under this handle. That's what anon posting is for.

DIRTY_XL wrote:

If you are being serious you are an idiot.

She impressively bested Trason's 100mi record but her "huge Comrades win" was 13 minutes slower than Trason's win in the same up direction.

And let's compare their Western States records:

Trason: 14 Wins. 2 Drops

Herron: 1 Drop

Yeah, totally caught up to Ann...

She won Comrades this yr in record heat and only 10 weeks after tearing her MCL.

not human wrote:

DIRTY_XL wrote:

If you are being serious you are an idiot.

She impressively bested Trason's 100mi record but her "huge Comrades win" was 13 minutes slower than Trason's win in the same up direction.

And let's compare their Western States records:

Trason: 14 Wins. 2 Drops

Herron: 1 Drop

Yeah, totally caught up to Ann...

She won Comrades this yr in record heat and only 10 weeks after tearing her MCL.

Plus her back was seriously jacked her stride was bobbled. Clearly she has recovered admirably.

The problem with an ultra-marathon: people only really have time to watch a small subset of people they're interested in finish the last bit of the race. In that case, the "last bit of the race" may as well be the entire race; at least then you'd get a larger sporting event since all the athletes are finishing at more or less the same time.

Banana Bread wrote:

The faster you run, the less distance you can hold a certain pace, so if you run slower, you should run the pace longer. So for a longer race, you won't be as fast as the shorter distance race. But by running shorter, and literally faster races, the longer race will feel more easier, at least for most of it anyway.

You're definitely bananas.

But what could she have run drafted?

Good to see a legitimate top level ultra performance not the stunts we've seen recently

How the hell is this thread title anything other than "Camille MF Herron!"???

The lady is a beast. I love that she isn't a trail snob, that she is very confident but doesn't need to disrespect other runners, and I hope she doesn't get robbed of the Ultrarunner of the Year title yet again.

(Not that the title means much, specialy after last year some of the voters made their choices and reasons public and it was plain obvious it's a popularity contest to some extent, there's a clear trail and 100-mile bias, and the members make little effort to follow international races. Still, she deserves the recognition.)