Nah, you need to catch up, lad. Rules have changed.
Nah, you need to catch up, lad. Rules have changed.
The International Association of Ultrarunners (IAU) did away with separate road and track records in the past year or two. I don't agree, but it is what it is.
Former record: Gina Slaby (track): 13:45:49. (Ann Trason held the previous record, road, 13:47:41)
Current record: Camille Herron 12:42:39. 7:37.6/mile
Kouros' road record of 11:46:37 is gone, too. Kharitonov has the record (track) of 11:28.
Sledge_hammer wrote:
What? 7:37 per mile is a jogger's pace, any sub-230 marathoners should be able to hold it past 100mi.
3100 miles wrote:
Yup, all the way across the USA, sea to shining sea.
what is your point? wrote:
Kostlenick or Villines were not running close to 7:37 pace.
Let me fix that for you. Try reading the bold part, if you can read that far that is.
Yes, that was my point.
TheOhioState wrote:
The International Association of Ultrarunners (IAU) did away with separate road and track records in the past year or two. I don't agree, but it is what it is.
Former record: Gina Slaby (track): 13:45:49. (Ann Trason held the previous record, road, 13:47:41)
Current record: Camille Herron 12:42:39. 7:37.6/mile
Kouros' road record of 11:46:37 is gone, too. Kharitonov has the record (track) of 11:28.
Thanks for enlightening me. I don't agree with that decision either. There are a lot of records websites that still list both road and track. Has USATF followed suit and is no longer keeping road and track records separate?
"any sub-230 marathoners should be able to hold it past 100mi"
This statement is about as true as "a 45sec quarter miler should be able to hold 7:37 per mile pace past 100 mile".
Both statements are making outlandish claims. If your handle was being sarcastic, then you agree.
what is your point? wrote:
"What? 7:37 per mile is a jogger's pace, any sub-230 marathoners should be able to hold it past 100mi"
This statement is about as true as "a 45sec quarter miler should be able to hold 7:37 per mile pace past 100 mile".
Both statements are making outlandish claims. If your handle was being sarcastic, then you agree.
You still refuse to put the entire original claim together.
Usain Bold should easily crush the 100 mile and even 3100 mile, and further, run records.
Different Races wrote:
Rfv55 wrote:
Camille is not new to the trail ultra scene:
https://ultrasignup.com/m_results_participant.aspx?fname=Camille&lname=HerronShe hasn't completed a 100 miler on the trails, not yet. It seems she would be dominate. But she dropped out of Western States. I am sure she will try one again.
"Trail ultra's" are a broad category, varying dramatically in their terrain (elevation gain, etc). Kostlenick (who set the Transcon WR last year), and has won Badwater a couple of times, has admitted he is more of a rhythm runner, not as well suited to 'trail' running, versus road ultras.
Similarly, whether Camille dominates in long trail races will likely depend on not just the 100 mile distance, but the race's particular terrain, as well.
it is, what it is wrote:
Different Races wrote:
She hasn't completed a 100 miler on the trails, not yet. It seems she would be dominate. But she dropped out of Western States. I am sure she will try one again.
Similarly, whether Camille dominates in long trail races will likely depend on not just the 100 mile distance, but the race's particular terrain, as well.
Camille seems to have pretty well in trail races of less than 100 miles.
3100 miles wrote:
Usain Bold should easily crush the 100 mile and even 3100 mile, and further, run records.
If you actually believe the above statement, then you are seriously deluded. If you are trying to be ridiculously sarcastic, then we are in agreement, so why are you continuing to argue the point?
She seems to be pretty good wrote:
Camille seems to have pretty well in trail races of less than 100 miles.
Agreed, but how would she fair in, for instance, a 50-100 miler over some gnarly mountainous terrain, like Hardrock? You may be more familiar with the ultra courses she has run to date.
Wut?
3 pages on letsrun and no accusations yet? Youse guys letsrun me down.
Difference between men and women performance equiv. in distance races is about 10%. Women are closing the gap in 5k, 10K, 1/2 mar. Marathon, 100 miles This is very close.
So equivalent 100 miles for women would be 12:36:51 compared to men's track record. I realize this was not on the track.
Dopey wrote:
Wut?
3 pages on letsrun and no accusations yet? Youse guys letsrun me down.
I'm actually surprised that this hasn't happened yet.
But damn - what a race for her. She just torched the record like it was nothing.
Sledge_hammer wrote:
What? 7:37 per mile is a jogger's pace, any sub-230 marathoners should be able to hold it past 100mi.
Maybe, and yet only ONE woman in all of history has done so.
it is, what it is wrote:
She seems to be pretty good wrote:
Camille seems to have pretty well in trail races of less than 100 miles.
Agreed, but how would she fair in, for instance, a 50-100 miler over some gnarly mountainous terrain, like Hardrock? You may be more familiar with the ultra courses she has run to date.
At this point in her career, trying to succeed in gnarly mountainous ultras in order to make a point, at the greater risk of injury, may not be wise. Maybe there yet remains sufficient challenge and sense of accomplishment sticking with the 'flatter' ultras, for now.
Forget 2:37 that is ancient history. If she took another serious crack at a marathon it's likely she would break 2:30. She is getting better all over the board.
Let's not forget her huge Comrades win. She has caught up to Trason for GOAT Ultra status with this.
It is fun to see such a massive world record here. I wonder how fast can Ayana Almaz run the world record for 100 miles? She might get under 12 hours on the track. It's scary how close, proportionally the female and male record for 100 miles now is. I hope after Bekele's marathon world record, he moves up to the ultra. I'm sure he could literally get it under 10 hours. The faster you run, the less distance you can hold a certain pace, so if you run slower, you should run the pace longer. So for a longer race, you won't be as fast as the shorter distance race. But by running shorter, and literally faster races, the longer race will feel more easier, at least for most of it anyway. Obviously it won't be as fast as a marathon, but sub 6 minute miles is reasonable for Bekele, for 100 miles to run.
Ultrawoman wrote:
Difference between men and women performance equiv. in distance races is about 10%. Women are closing the gap in 5k, 10K, 1/2 mar. Marathon, 100 miles This is very close.
So equivalent 100 miles for women would be 12:36:51 compared to men's track record. I realize this was not on the track.
This is the only post worth reading in this thread.