Statistical Analysisssssssssssss wrote:
If you run your top person at regionals and he's 1% slower at nationals because of it, he probably loses 1 or two places because there's a bigger spread at that portion of the race. But if your 5th guy is 1% slower he probably loses 10 places because at that area of the race there are like 3 guys finishing every second.
1% for their 5th man will be like 18 seconds which would definitely be more than 10 places.
spokane xc wrote:
alshaw wrote:
Teams do this every year. BYU has rested top guys every year at regionals. They always qualify. They're arguably the deepest, best team in the country. They could probably rest 1-5 and qualify. But if Portland wins the West I would guess they blow up at nationals. No smart team EVER tries to win regionals.
Which is exactly why Washington won it on their home course a few years back. And bombed at Nationals.
Only question I have with resting Clinger is that now Nationals will be his first experience with the extra 2k, which could cause for a blow up. A lot more freshman look great at 8k but struggle to translate that at Nationals, whether its the extra 2k or the stage or the size of the race. But I'm sure Eyestone feels comfortable with him. and Clinger seems like a special one.
Same for NAU and Louis Grijalva (also a freshman). If anything, provided Louis rests, NAU is looking way more vulnerable, considering their 6th and 7th have been way farther back in comparison to BYU so far this year.
running commenter wrote:
Resting guys isn't ridiculous. Expecting guys to race two hard 10ks in two weeks is.
Good grief, no it's not. These are college runners in the prime of their lives, not geriatric old men. They're more than capable of racing two hard 10ks in two weeks.
I completely reject the notion that runners are so fragile they'll collapse if they race all out more than twice a year.
Ummmduh wrote:
Even if byu isn't in the top two they are pretty much garunteed an at large correct?
No. If someone with a very few number of at large points comes out of nowhere and places ahead of them, they can block them from getting in. A number of years ago UTEP did this in the Mountain Region since they had mostly been running regional meets and didn't run their full squad until the regional meet. They placed high and basically blocked every other at large team in the region from getting into nationals (A number of highly ranked teams didn't make it into nationals because they got blocked by UTEP).
Sack Up wrote:
moist wrote:
Candy ass
^ This x infinity...
Good gravy...runners these days are softer than a baby's a$$. At the risk of sounding like an old curmudgeon, we raced every weekend back in the early 80s when I was in college. The lone exceptions were the weekends prior to the conference, regional and national meets. What is it about today's runners that they don't even want to compete? What's the point of training if you're going to race only 3 times every fall. Gutless, nutless, pansies....
Yes but you also sucked. Our pros now are so much faster and more competitive than they were in your days. Our college kids are much much faster.
I get the whole "it was so much manlier in my day" thing that all old people have, but you cannot, with a straight face, say that your generation did it better than this one.
hart crane wrote:
Dont forget the average age of a BYU athlete is nearly 30. Old dudes need more rest.
I'm in my 70's, and not as spry as I used to be.
comedyrelief wrote:
Ummmduh wrote:
Even if byu isn't in the top two they are pretty much garunteed an at large correct?
No. If someone with a very few number of at large points comes out of nowhere and places ahead of them, they can block them from getting in. A number of years ago UTEP did this in the Mountain Region since they had mostly been running regional meets and didn't run their full squad until the regional meet. They placed high and basically blocked every other at large team in the region from getting into nationals (A number of highly ranked teams didn't make it into nationals because they got blocked by UTEP).
But, pretty much they're guaranteed.
Charlie Brown wrote:
running commenter wrote:
Resting guys isn't ridiculous. Expecting guys to race two hard 10ks in two weeks is.
Good grief, no it's not. These are college runners in the prime of their lives, not geriatric old men. They're more than capable of racing two hard 10ks in two weeks.
I completely reject the notion that runners are so fragile they'll collapse if they race all out more than twice a year.
I'm really curious to know what kind of running you do? Cuz this mentality makes total sense for a weekend hobby-jogger looking into the realm of elite running. But realistically, these athletes are not trying to finish two 10k's in 8 days. They're trying to win. And I don't mean take first place in every race and run and workout that they do, but by "win" I mean finish as high as possible as late as possible in the season. You cannot fully recover from a 10k to perform your best in only 8 days time.
alshaw wrote:
Charlie Brown wrote:
Good grief, no it's not. These are college runners in the prime of their lives, not geriatric old men. They're more than capable of racing two hard 10ks in two weeks.
I completely reject the notion that runners are so fragile they'll collapse if they race all out more than twice a year.
I'm really curious to know what kind of running you do? Cuz this mentality makes total sense for a weekend hobby-jogger looking into the realm of elite running. But realistically, these athletes are not trying to finish two 10k's in 8 days. They're trying to win. And I don't mean take first place in every race and run and workout that they do, but by "win" I mean finish as high as possible as late as possible in the season. You cannot fully recover from a 10k to perform your best in only 8 days time.
I reject that. Yes you can race all out to win twice in 8 days. Anyone can.
I was a sorry DI runner on a sorry DI team. If anything, racing all out frequently should be HARDER for me than for the elites because I'm out there longer, am not as fit or genetically gifted, and probably weigh more.
Runners today can't race frequently because they're a bunch of skirts. And so are their coaches. No other reason.
Charlie Brown wrote:
alshaw wrote:
I'm really curious to know what kind of running you do? Cuz this mentality makes total sense for a weekend hobby-jogger looking into the realm of elite running. But realistically, these athletes are not trying to finish two 10k's in 8 days. They're trying to win. And I don't mean take first place in every race and run and workout that they do, but by "win" I mean finish as high as possible as late as possible in the season. You cannot fully recover from a 10k to perform your best in only 8 days time.
I reject that. Yes you can race all out to win twice in 8 days. Anyone can.
I was a sorry DI runner on a sorry DI team. If anything, racing all out frequently should be HARDER for me than for the elites because I'm out there longer, am not as fit or genetically gifted, and probably weigh more.
Runners today can't race frequently because they're a bunch of skirts. And so are their coaches. No other reason.
P.S. You are NEVER going to change my mind on this. NEVER.
Charlie Brown wrote:
Charlie Brown wrote:
I reject that. Yes you can race all out to win twice in 8 days. Anyone can.
I was a sorry DI runner on a sorry DI team. If anything, racing all out frequently should be HARDER for me than for the elites because I'm out there longer, am not as fit or genetically gifted, and probably weigh more.
Runners today can't race frequently because they're a bunch of skirts. And so are their coaches. No other reason.
P.S. You are NEVER going to change my mind on this. NEVER.
That's fine, just keep in mind there's a reason you might've been toward the back of the pack other than carrying more weight. Perhaps proper race strategy as employed by the best NCAA teams and professionals would have helped you finish harder.
Charlie Brown wrote:P.S. You are NEVER going to change my mind on this. NEVER.
Out of curiosity, it seems like you are blaming a lot of this on the runners themselves. Do you think that the runners asked to sit out, the coach told them that they were going to sit out, or that it was a mutual decision?
I don't think it's fair to be trashing the runners so much if they had no say in the choice.
ZidaneValor wrote:
Charlie Brown wrote:P.S. You are NEVER going to change my mind on this. NEVER.
Out of curiosity, it seems like you are blaming a lot of this on the runners themselves. Do you think that the runners asked to sit out, the coach told them that they were going to sit out, or that it was a mutual decision?
I don't think it's fair to be trashing the runners so much if they had no say in the choice.
It's just the fact that he ran way back in the day and way back in the pack (his words, he was a "sorry runner"). All the retrospect enables him to see so much better than the rest, even better than the faster, more methodical, more scientific athletes who know how to race/train.
Gotta bee wrote:
PortlanderPiloting wrote:
Interesting that Portland gets destroyed by letsrunners for resting some of its guys at conference but BYU and other teams that rest people at regionals don't get the same criticism
one the thread just started, two its not a conference meet its a qualifying round, three you're stupid
Hahahahahaha I was thinking the exact same thing. He was like the 2nd poster lmao
Average age of BYU's top 7 is 22 now that Danny Carney had a birthday this week,...was 21 before that. So that's the same age as normal 4th or 5th years, like every other school. If you look at the top 5 that average age is even younger. 3 of their top 5 have not served missions. 4 of their top 7 have not served missions. The age advantage argument isn't a thing this year. Taking two years not running being an "advantage" is another discussion.
Mormons don't always go by the book.
If you know what I mean.
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Trump2020OP-the real one wrote:
Mormons don't always go by the book.
If you know what I mean.
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We actually don't know what you mean, btw.
Let's see how this plays out wrote:
Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it plays out.
Portland wins west, byu doesny qualify.
Portland won the west. How did BYU do?
InTheKnowProvo wrote:
Not a huge surprise as they've been doing this since at least 2011 but I was told by a member of their team that they will be resting 3 of their top 7 at regionals. Casey Clinger, Danny Carney and Jonathan Harper won't run and will rest up for nationals.
For the top teams this has been the industry standard since I can remember.
Pepper Culpepper wrote:
Let's see how this plays out wrote:
Bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it plays out.
Portland wins west, byu doesny qualify.
Portland won the west. How did BYU do?
Yes... Portland runs an all out 10k a week before nationals to win a race that did not matter (no way they would have finished out of the top 7 if they had chilled like everyone else did), but they cant run a hard 8k at conference 21 days before nattys when that race does actually matter?? Seems like they were just scared at conference, or Rob is illogical...