aside from mt sac all the CA courses are flat as hell, and they live constantly in optimal running weather, thats why they're always "dominating rankings" because their times are skewed
granted, they do have extremely talented runners, but the state is no better proportionally to population than others
Niles wrote:
jesus_short wrote:
Please wait until after next Saturday to spew this annual Calicentric bs. The same was said last year, and your almighty Great Oak team finished 6th. At 2nd and 11th, NY showed that it was the superior state-only region, besting the 6th and 9th of Ca. While the averages and depth of the Ca state meet are certainly impressive on paper, that does not translate to success in Portland.
Classic NY bs argument. The NY teams have a far easier time at NXN since they don't have to race hard before Nationals. In a state like CA, there is actual competition and you have to race hard more than once per year. California teams race hard a lot since it is on a different playing field from NY,. Most every CA team is better than the NY qualifiers.
It’s only a 5k. Grow a sack.
NY is the only state where nationally ranked teams don't even make it to their state meet. Liverpool girls this year is only the most recent example. It occasionally happens to a good Minnesota team in the one strong region, but not usually a nationally ranked one.
XC Dude wrote:
NY is the only state where nationally ranked teams don't even make it to their state meet. Liverpool girls this year is only the most recent example. It occasionally happens to a good Minnesota team in the one strong region, but not usually a nationally ranked one.
Holy MFn crybaby, Batman!
Are all NY xc guys this whiney?
Dril wrote:
Niles wrote:
Classic NY bs argument. The NY teams have a far easier time at NXN since they don't have to race hard before Nationals. In a state like CA, there is actual competition and you have to race hard more than once per year. California teams race hard a lot since it is on a different playing field from NY,. Most every CA team is better than the NY qualifiers.
It’s only a 5k. Grow a sack.
Yeah I was joking, NY has a lot of races in a row just like CA. Just wanted to see if people would buy it. On another note, CA did race surprisingly well this weekend, so props to them.
saywhatnow wrote:
ummmmm jus sayin wrote:
Great Oak and Vista Murrietta could have placed last in their league and still made it to CIF Prelims as they auto-qualified based on their rankings over the last 4 weeks of the season.
What? That's so stupid? Ranked by who? If they got last in their league, then clearly the rankings were wrong.
Ranked by Rich Gonzalez. Neither team got last in their league, but the point was they could have gotten last and still qualified due to being in the top-16 for Division 1 in the southern section for at least 2 of the final 4 weeks of the regular season. This sort of thing is needed for leagues that are exceptionally strong. For instance, the league Great Oak and Vista Murrieta are in. Imagine if they only took the top two teams to Prelims and those top two teams are both NXN qualifiers. Some leagues are exceptional whereas others are not.
Wwwwaaaaahhh wrote:
XC Dude wrote:
NY is the only state where nationally ranked teams don't even make it to their state meet. Liverpool girls this year is only the most recent example. It occasionally happens to a good Minnesota team in the one strong region, but not usually a nationally ranked one.
Holy MFn crybaby, Batman!
Are all NY xc guys this whiney?
No, we're just responding to California posters who are whiney.
ummmmm jus sayin wrote:
saywhatnow wrote:
What? That's so stupid? Ranked by who? If they got last in their league, then clearly the rankings were wrong.
Ranked by Rich Gonzalez. Neither team got last in their league, but the point was they could have gotten last and still qualified due to being in the top-16 for Division 1 in the southern section for at least 2 of the final 4 weeks of the regular season. This sort of thing is needed for leagues that are exceptionally strong. For instance, the league Great Oak and Vista Murrieta are in. Imagine if they only took the top two teams to Prelims and those top two teams are both NXN qualifiers. Some leagues are exceptional whereas others are not.
But who is Rich Gonzalez? I've never heard of a dude or any rankings deciding which teams advance to state for high school.
saywhatnow wrote:
ummmmm jus sayin wrote:
Ranked by Rich Gonzalez. Neither team got last in their league, but the point was they could have gotten last and still qualified due to being in the top-16 for Division 1 in the southern section for at least 2 of the final 4 weeks of the regular season. This sort of thing is needed for leagues that are exceptionally strong. For instance, the league Great Oak and Vista Murrieta are in. Imagine if they only took the top two teams to Prelims and those top two teams are both NXN qualifiers. Some leagues are exceptional whereas others are not.
But who is Rich Gonzalez? I've never heard of a dude or any rankings deciding which teams advance to state for high school.
He's a guy who runs a blog.
NXN this year on the boys side
CA teams: 2nd, 6th, 8th, 11th
NY teams: 5th, 14th
oh and CA had the NXN champ....
take a seat new york
saywhatnow wrote:
ummmmm jus sayin wrote:
Ranked by Rich Gonzalez. Neither team got last in their league, but the point was they could have gotten last and still qualified due to being in the top-16 for Division 1 in the southern section for at least 2 of the final 4 weeks of the regular season. This sort of thing is needed for leagues that are exceptionally strong. For instance, the league Great Oak and Vista Murrieta are in. Imagine if they only took the top two teams to Prelims and those top two teams are both NXN qualifiers. Some leagues are exceptional whereas others are not.
But who is Rich Gonzalez? I've never heard of a dude or any rankings deciding which teams advance to state for high school.
The top-16 teams in each division are guaranteed a spot in Prelims. They still have to qualify for Finals and then qualify for State.
Rich is one of the main guys at NXN. He tends to be one of the few that is announcing the race. He also tends to be in charge of the coaches meeting at NXN, among doing a ton of other things, such as running the Arcadia Invitational for track. CIF-SS has put him in charge of the regular season rankings for whatever reason. He does a great job with it.
Dyestat has 8 CA teams in the top 25 and 6 in the top 15 in the final boys team rankings now...
https://www.runnerspace.com/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=44531&do=news&news_id=556022
XC Dude wrote:
NY is the only state where nationally ranked teams don't even make it to their state meet. Liverpool girls this year is only the most recent example. It occasionally happens to a good Minnesota team in the one strong region, but not usually a nationally ranked one.
In both 2014 and 2015, Edina boys didn’t make it to state but made it to NXN with an automatic bid. They got 9th at NXN in 2014. Wayzata boys didn’t make state in 2015 and made it to NXN with an at-large. The Heartland region was pretty strong those years on the boys side, but now it’s not as strong on that side.
Input wrote:
California got all 4 of their boys teams in the top 11 today.
Dana Hills wasn’t even one of those teams and they beat Burnt Hills, who finished 14th at NXN, at McQuaid. BH didn’t have their best race there but DH probably would have beaten them if BH did have their best race.
CA has good teams wrote:
Input wrote:
California got all 4 of their boys teams in the top 11 today.
Dana Hills wasn’t even one of those teams and they beat Burnt Hills, who finished 14th at NXN, at McQuaid. BH didn’t have their best race there but DH probably would have beaten them if BH did have their best race.
When NY gets teams like Corning sent to NXN you know something is wrong with the system.
The team that scored 38 points at the NY Class A state meet to beat FM, who finished 2nd at NXN? The team that finished 12th at NXN, ahead of auto-qualifiers from the Southeast, Northwest, South, Northeast, Heartland, and (funnily enough) California? The team that ran 7:43 and 10:11 on the track? Doesn't sound like a broken system to me.
????? wrote:
The team that scored 38 points at the NY Class A state meet to beat FM, who finished 2nd at NXN? The team that finished 12th at NXN, ahead of auto-qualifiers from the Southeast, Northwest, South, Northeast, Heartland, and (funnily enough) California? The team that ran 7:43 and 10:11 on the track? Doesn't sound like a broken system to me.
All the Corning guys also run terrible in college! They also tend to run for some lame SUNY program. This makes them even worse. I know many of the Corning guys and they all think they know everything about training. It’s widely known in the NY running community how arrogant they are. I’m sure some are exceptions to this, but I have yet meet any and I know tons of Corning guys.
C1SRT wrote:
When NY gets teams like Corning sent to NXN you know something is wrong with the system.
This year it’s utterly intricate to predict what boys team will finish second at the NXR NY behind FM.
The second spot looks so wide open.
Teams that finished 2nd through 8th graduated strong senior classes.
I can tell you from what I know, that The Woodlands is looking incredibly strong this upcoming XC season. Might be a bit of a wild prediction this early on, but it's no fun if we don't hype the season up, so here's to the best Woodland's squad ever!
Either way, don't be surprise if they're the top team in Texas this year. On the other hand, winning state and cursing out at NXN regionals seems to be a recent, on-going curse.
