Official 2017 NYC Marathon Discussion Thread

Gotta bee wrote:

joho wrote:

Is her team under investigation for doping?

Isn't Jager under suspicion ? They should be according to your logic more so than NOP

More so? Why is that?

Bigger than any one runner. AlSal himself, the leader of NOP, is under suspicion. He runs a dirty program and has for years. Multiple athletes of his under suspicion. You cannot say that about BTC.

broken arrow wrote:

Boom_! wrote:

https://twitter.com/des_linden/status/927214322186637313

nice post from Desi....

Brosjo need to grab that video clip for a black page.

When you have blond hair and very pale skin and are outside in the sun, at altitude, for hours everyday, you're going to look old. Unless you're any other race than white. Black don't crack, but neither does brown or yellow, just white.

Wow. That 35 to 40 is about the toughest 5k of the course and yet... 17:15!!! Fresh legs! Smart running.

GBohannon wrote:

You’ll have to forgive Rojo. He really hates NOP. Too bad because he is normally so unbiased and level-headed...

LOL

Why was there so much noise about Chicago being slow yet even though this NYC was almost 2 minutes slower barely anyone mentions that is was slow. What gives?

Are Kaworor, Desisa, amd Kipsang Class D runners? where does this put them on the top 1000 list for the marathon?

Not A Therapist... wrote:

Conversation with my wife, as she watches Shalane Flanagan win:

Wife: "That lady won?"

Me: "Yes, why?"

Wife: "She's old!" (Note the my wife just turned 40)

Me: "She's only 36"

Wife: "36? She looks really old"

Me: "Yeah, well, she runs really fast"

Is an excellent judge of what happened.

rojo wrote:

Ronald Dump wrote:

Can we get Allie Kieffer a deal?

I thought that was a mistakes. Has anyone - other than world indoor marathon fans - ever even heard of her?

From 2:44 to top 5 in NY? My god.

If you want to know something about her, read this article on her, by Joe Battaglia:

It is a good profile of her. On the other hand, Anyone who prefers to speculate without knowing anything, or who hates 'feel good' stories, should not read this.

when you are at the end of a marathon and you have no body fat, you are not going to look young.

when you gain 10 lbs and have a rest, you get those 10 years back.

rojo wrote:

George213 wrote:

I think Rupp's performance in Chicago is more impressive. He stringed together 4:30-4:40 miles for the last 10k under warm weather! And I am not even a Rupp's fan.

I would bet 90% would appreciate it more. No doping rumors. Near the end of a great career and an American woman hadn't won here in 40 years.

I think both of these statements are true. Rupp's run was more impressive, of that there is little doubt. Shalane ran well, but not out of her mind. Keitany wasn't on her best at all.

That said, I appreciate Shalane's win way more. That's a really special victory and was incredibly amazing to see, in that regard Rupp's run doesn't compare. Maybe if Rupp did it in London or something like that could compare...but it would be hard to match.

LM wrote:

rojo wrote:

I would bet 90% would appreciate it more. No doping rumors. Near the end of a great career and an American woman hadn't won here in 40 years.

I think both of these statements are true. Rupp's run was more impressive, of that there is little doubt. Shalane ran well, but not out of her mind. Keitany wasn't on her best at all.

That said, I appreciate Shalane's win way more. That's a really special victory and was incredibly amazing to see, in that regard Rupp's run doesn't compare. Maybe if Rupp did it in London or something like that could compare...but it would be hard to match.

How many people did Flanagan just beat who had faster PR's than her? 2? How many did Rupp beat who had faster PR's than him in Chicago? Like 10? Gimme a break. Rupp's victory was far more impressive.

47yroldrunna wrote:

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Do you guys think Kamworor knew he had the win and backed off a bit or was Kipsang just closing that fast? Combination of things?

No, the opposite. I think he was holding on for dear life. Kamworor is a HM God and good marathoner. And Kip was closing.

Yep, this. Kamworor was certainly very happy that marathons are 26.2 miles and not 26.4. He was spent and his stride was really starting to get short and choppy.

Too bad we didn't see how it happened. I was thrilled to see Shalane win, but they did like 10' of womens finish line coverage without showing a snip of the mens race, even with split screen. Probably Kipsang had enough fitness, but didn't have the gear change Kamworor did.

Kipsang probably had as much as Kamworor in the tank, but doesn't seem like he executed well. Not only did the pace dawdle against a HM master and sub 27:00 10k guy with a passable kick, but Kipsang also allowed a large gap to open up to said track runner.

Dude. You blatently did not read my post:

Either that or you really messed up your quotes and who you replied to.

Not A Therapist... wrote:

Conversation with my wife, as she watches Shalane Flanagan win:

Wife: "That lady won?"

Me: "Yes, why?"

Wife: "She's old!" (Note the my wife just turned 40)

Me: "She's only 36"

Wife: "36? She looks really old"

Me: "Yeah, well, she runs really fast"

Any theories on why Shalane's age always mentioned as being amazing but with the Africans it's never brought up? Keitany turns 36 in January. Kiplagat is a mother of 5 and turns 38 in 10 days.

I was happy for both. Great run for Shalane. There is no need to tarnish her run just because Rojo treats every NOP run as fixed or doped and Rojo never mentions that runners from other groups also used Dr Brown. Enjoy the races and ignore Rojo instant editorials! Life is too short.

LM wrote:

rojo wrote:

I would bet 90% would appreciate it more. No doping rumors. Near the end of a great career and an American woman hadn't won here in 40 years.

I think both of these statements are true. Rupp's run was more impressive, of that there is little doubt. Shalane ran well, but not out of her mind. Keitany wasn't on her best at all.

That said, I appreciate Shalane's win way more. That's a really special victory and was incredibly amazing to see, in that regard Rupp's run doesn't compare. Maybe if Rupp did it in London or something like that could compare...but it would be hard to match.

rojo wrote:

Not A Therapist... wrote:

Conversation with my wife, as she watches Shalane Flanagan win:

Wife: "That lady won?"

Me: "Yes, why?"

Wife: "She's old!" (Note the my wife just turned 40)

Me: "She's only 36"

Wife: "36? She looks really old"

Me: "Yeah, well, she runs really fast"

Any theories on why Shalane's age always mentioned as being amazing but with the Africans it's never brought up? Keitany turns 36 in January. Kiplagat is a mother of 5 and turns 38 in 10 days.

Come on. You know why that is! The general sentiment is that most people don't really know how old many of the Kenyan and Ethiopian elite are. I've absolutely seen people talk about how impressive Geb's and Eliud runs are given that they were at least early-mid thirties, but very possibly late 30s.

Then of course these boards are heavily American and we obviously like to build up or own...at least when we aren't self deprecating our elite runners abilities to contend.

lollerama wrote:

Truth teller!! wrote:

This thread is fcking painful to read. Very little about the actual race, but a lot of complaints about the coverage, "mommy, where can I watch it for free?", etc.

Are you new here? That's what we do for every marathon. It's tradition.

Been here since the beginning. Doesn´t make it any better.

rojo wrote:

Not A Therapist... wrote:

Conversation with my wife, as she watches Shalane Flanagan win:

Wife: "That lady won?"

Me: "Yes, why?"

Wife: "She's old!" (Note the my wife just turned 40)

Me: "She's only 36"

Wife: "36? She looks really old"

Me: "Yeah, well, she runs really fast"

Any theories on why Shalane's age always mentioned as being amazing but with the Africans it's never brought up? Keitany turns 36 in January. Kiplagat is a mother of 5 and turns 38 in 10 days.

It's because they don't look older.