A prestigious university near me has a serious alcohol abuse problem, like many universities in the developed world. I suggested to a former administrator that they should only select students who do not drink. Students who understand the wisdom - the history of alcohol is the history ruin. This would ensure the university is graduating the right kind of "leaders" and this in turn would benefit society.
The former administrator said no, the university would never do that. They need x number of students that can pay and graduate to meet the budget. They had no other idea to reduce drinking. It's a major problem but I believe my idea is a good one. Does anyone else agree? Any other ideas?
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It’s a good idea. My university actually has this policy, and it is the biggest reason we are huge favorites at NCAA XC this year.
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Consult with BYU.....
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Lisadfst wrote:
A prestigious university near me has a serious alcohol abuse problem, like many universities in the developed world. I suggested to a former administrator that they should only select students who do not drink. Students who understand the wisdom - the history of alcohol is the history ruin. This would ensure the university is graduating the right kind of "leaders" and this in turn would benefit society.
The former administrator said no, the university would never do that. They need x number of students that can pay and graduate to meet the budget. They had no other idea to reduce drinking. It's a major problem but I believe my idea is a good one. Does anyone else agree? Any other ideas?
Lower the drinking age to 18. Having to drink in secret leads to binge drinking. One learns to drink responsibly doing so openly, in social environments. The stupidity of prohibition is well demonstrated empirically. -
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Lower the drinking age to 18. Having to drink in secret leads to binge drinking. One learns to drink responsibly doing so openly, in social environments. The stupidity of prohibition is well demonstrated empirically.
This actually a good idea. In Europe, while on a foreign exchange program in the 90's, the students over 18, were allowed to drink. Some actually had a few after school. But, there were no parties like here. No kids running around secretly drinking in their parents house when the parents were out. -
I live where the drinking age is 18 and it's hard to imagine that kids could drink anymore than they already do. I feel like Europe doesn't have the whole "go to college and party for four years" mentality on quite the same level as we do in the West so I'm not sure that is the best comparison. One thing to consider about kids drinking in dorms vs kids drinking at the bar is they don't drive to their dorms. If you were to set up a check stop outside of the club here people would be getting caught left right and center. Come to think of it I'm really not sure the city doesn't do that. Many people here think the drinking age should be raised. I've seen studies that support both sides of the argument pretty well but at the very least it gets kids out of the bar. Holy fak 18-20 year olds at the bar or public events are annoying. Also, an 18 year old drinking age makes it far easier for the high school crowd to attain alcohol. They are more connected with others who can buy it and even some 12th graders can. At the end o the day, kids will drink and party regardless. I think focus should be spent on making sure they don't drive and are doing it in as safe a way as possible.
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I’ve worked at two very different universities. A small private school and a large public school. The private school was liberal on drinking and students never got in trouble. They were also very average in XC despite getting good recruits. The state school was a dry campus. Moderate recruits and very successful in XC. The drinking culture good or bad played a big role in the athletic department.
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I was in college when the drinking age in the state was 18. There was a lot of binge drinking--and, as someone pointed out above, it was easier for high school kids to get alcohol.
Honestly, I think about the only effective way to cut this stuff back would be to arrest and jail underage drinkers and those who supplied/sold alcohol to them. It IS against the law; lawbreakers should be punished.
Yeah, sure, that'll fly.
Realistically, I think there has to be a culture change, as there was with drunk driving. Earlier in my life, people kind of winked at that; but now people have a better grasp of the fact that, when drunken assholes get behind the wheel, fatalities often result--and not all the people who die are the drunken assholes themselves. -
typical american retards. not allowed to drink alcohol but allowed to shoot up the place. muuhh freedom
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back woods wrote:
Lisadfst wrote:
A prestigious university near me has a serious alcohol abuse problem, like many universities in the developed world. I suggested to a former administrator that they should only select students who do not drink. Students who understand the wisdom - the history of alcohol is the history ruin. This would ensure the university is graduating the right kind of "leaders" and this in turn would benefit society.
The former administrator said no, the university would never do that. They need x number of students that can pay and graduate to meet the budget. They had no other idea to reduce drinking. It's a major problem but I believe my idea is a good one. Does anyone else agree? Any other ideas?
Lower the drinking age to 18. Having to drink in secret leads to binge drinking. One learns to drink responsibly doing so openly, in social environments. The stupidity of prohibition is well demonstrated empirically.
This idea is based on myths.
In Canada the age is 18-19 (differs by province) and the binge-drinking is legendary. -
semenyagoat wrote:
typical american retards. not allowed to drink alcohol but allowed to shoot up the place. muuhh freedom
We allowed to shoot up a place? I did not know that. It’s interesting what you can learn from foreigners. -
Maybe parents could be better parents and raise kids that are more mature and responsible? Crazy idea.
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Lisadfst wrote:
A prestigious university near me has a serious alcohol abuse problem, like many universities in the developed world. I suggested to a former administrator that they should only select students who do not drink. Students who understand the wisdom - the history of alcohol is the history ruin. This would ensure the university is graduating the right kind of "leaders" and this in turn would benefit society.
The former administrator said no, the university would never do that. They need x number of students that can pay and graduate to meet the budget. They had no other idea to reduce drinking. It's a major problem but I believe my idea is a good one. Does anyone else agree? Any other ideas?
Homeschooled much? -
Insecure people require alcohol in order to have fun because they got nothing going on in their lives and need to brag about the hangover in the next morning class. Even the ones with good grades fall into this category occasionally. Same thing with the smartphone use.
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I firmly believe that the "drinking age" should be dropped to well under 18. Maybe 14? Not sure there should even be a drinking age (probably should be)... The reason kids want to drink is because they can't. It is made out to be something only adults can do and is advertised as something cool that only adults can do. If I learned to drink with my family at family holidays/parties I feel I would have had a way different opinion of what drinking is supposed to be.
I went to Brazil with my friends when we had just graduated high school. My friend had family in Rio. We knew we could legally drink (drinking age 14?) there so that is what we did. One night we went out with his younger cousins. I think they were maybe 16 maybe 17. We started to buy rounds for everyone. Everybody accepted the first drink but very few took one after that . Maybe one of them kept up with us the whole night. Definitely a product of having a different opinion of what alcohol should be used for. Celebration as opposed to pure socialization.
If we dropped the drinking age now it would be chaos for a few years, but I think in the long run it would be beneficial. -
Lisadfst wrote:
A prestigious university near me has a serious alcohol abuse problem, like many universities in the developed world. I suggested to a former administrator that they should only select students who do not drink. Students who understand the wisdom - the history of alcohol is the history ruin. This would ensure the university is graduating the right kind of "leaders" and this in turn would benefit society.
The former administrator said no, the university would never do that. They need x number of students that can pay and graduate to meet the budget. They had no other idea to reduce drinking. It's a major problem but I believe my idea is a good one. Does anyone else agree? Any other ideas?
This would never ever work. What would stop someone from lying? What would stop people from changing their minds? There were tons of people my freshman year who said they would "never drink" only to become the wildest ones. You can't predict that. -
It doesn't matter if there's more awareness regarding drunk driving. These same guys will use their phone while driving and I'm willing to bet the statistics are probably the same. Different "drug" same result.
And the car manufacters (English is not my language) for sure aren't helping to solve the issue because each car built from 2013 or later just begs for you to connect the phone to it. And since people don't know how to adapt disaster is just waiting to happen.
A phone is distracting even if it's not on your hands, driving and other activities just don't mix but people will always think they have the control. Just like every dumb rich college kid will think he can drive like Lewis Hamilton. They can't, it's extremely rare. -
Binge drinking is prevalent in cultures with British/Germanic/Nordic origins. In Latino countries like France, Italy, Spain, Brazil, etc they have a much more sane relationship with alcohol even though they drink as much as Northern people.
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I went to a conservatory program in college for music. In the first two years, you are in the same classes as your peers. But you are in ensembles with everyone from freshmen to post doctoral students. It was also very common for faculty to come to parties after concerts. Access to alcohol was never an issue at parties because there were always plenty of older students who could buy legally. There were never any parties where people were playing drinking games or binge drinking. At best, every now and then someone would shotgun a beer or do a shot. Anyone who wanted to drink like a frat boy would stick out like a sore thumb. People were drinking plenty of alcohol, but no one was forcing it. Everyone drank like adults because there were plenty of grad students and professors around setting an example.
That is essentially the problem with college binge drinking. You take an age group (18-20) that is very impulsive and has no fear of the consequences of binge drinking and put them all together in a social situation where everyone is desperately trying to fit in and be accepted, if not admired, by drinking too much. And there is no one around who is setting an example of how to drink like an adult and still have a good time. So, everyone binge drinks and gets into all kinds of trouble as a result. As long as we hyper segregate 18-20 year old students from adult society, they will act like immature 18-20 year old students and make terrible decisions about how they use alcohol. -
Making academics more uniformly rigorous across all majors would be a good start to reducing alcohol abuse. Lax academic requirements leave lots of students with absolutely massive amounts of free time, thus enabling them to "go out" 4+ nights per week. Simply design an academic curriculum where students don't have time to be both full time drunks and full time students, and the issue will largely be taken care of.
