Here is the most recent post:
https://www.facebook.com/LuckyFootLLC/posts/1695228747206992
There are many more similar posts on the store's Facebook page.
Here is the most recent post:
https://www.facebook.com/LuckyFootLLC/posts/1695228747206992
There are many more similar posts on the store's Facebook page.
We'll that's it boys. This is the single thing that will bring Nike down.
Guess I can finally afford those awesome inflexible 4%s at bargain basement prices now.
Why shouldn't a trainer flex at both?
What Nike shoe model is being demonstrated on in the pictures of the Facebook post? Can anyone help me out? Thanks!
This running store owner is a first class idiot.
A Pegasus 31
A few major issues here.
1: You're testing a used shoe. Unless every shoe had the same number of miles, was worn by the same person (stride is different for person to person) and the same surface was used for the test, you introduced a huge variable that can't be accounted for.
2: Let's look at shoe design. The Mizuno has a hard plastic plate in the middle to rear of the shoe. It's pretty much impossible to bend it here. The Brooks appears to be a stability shoe with medial support, thus denser foam. So it makes sense it would bend at the path of least resistance. Asics Gel (seriously, they still use overweight Gel?) Cumulus 15. There's a plastic plate in the midfoot. Again, path of least resistance would have it bend in the forefoot section Can't say much bout the Saucony. The Pegasus you chose is a neutral shoe with no firmer foam or plastic midfoot section.
3: The "So What?" issue. Nobody runs with a 90 degree flexation. Ironically, the world's fastest shoe (Based on Kipchoge's 2:00:25 rabbited marathon this spring), the Vaporfly has a full length carbon plate that doesn't allow for much, if any flexation (I couldn't get it to flex on my pair at all). Given the shoe has a similar plate used in pretty much every track spike on the market that has a main goal of becoming a springboard to harness the energy and launch the wearer back up upon the end of the stride. If that weren't the case, then track spikes would be super flexible instead.
4: Everyone is different. That 50% injury rate could be pretty much anything. Overtraining, ramping up workouts too fast, too many workouts, not enough recovery, too many miles on concrete, not enough time in the chill pool or working on preventative strengthening, etc. To say it's the brand of the shoes is pretty ignorant. If they were really so bad, then why are most of the US's (and much of the world's) top runners sponsored by and running in Nike's without injury? Yes, everybody has a different stride and will feel right in different shoes. Some are more picky than others. Personally as a midfoot supinator, I can run in pretty much anything without issue. I'll just buy whatever is on sale in my size. Other people are much more picky.
5. As far as Nike being a "designer" or "show" shoe... then why is the rest of the running industry playing catch-up to Nike and Adidas with their midsole technologies? Nike released their Lunarlon foam in the mid 2000's and has been improving on it since. Foam is significantly lighter and more responsive than any "Gel" cushioning. How many other manufacturers were just re-hashing the same basic shoes year after year with little to no innovation? How many were using Gel as of only a year or two ago (Or still do, Asics)
6. You screwed something up during your "test". Here's a photo of pair of brand new Pegasus that flexes just like all of your other shoes. Flexes in the same spot as my brand new New Balance 1080's and my current pair of Sauconys.
dsadfsdsaf wrote:
Why shouldn't a trainer flex at both?
This maybe correct.
Vi B Ram wrote:
This running store owner is a first class idiot.
Right?!?! because "50 % of your team injured because of Nike's" If that isn't the funniest crap I've heard in a while.
I can't comment on the science of it all but I am a long time Pegasus user and had alot of problems with the 31. As soon as I switched into them I had things hurting on me that have never bothered me before. Hip pain. Arch pain. I switched to a zoom vomero after about 2 weeks and everything went back to normal. I'm searching for a shoe that I can have success in other than a Nike but it's hard to move away from something you've been wearing for 25 years.
I bet the store lost its contract with Nike and that is why it bashes the brand. Classy.
And all the hobby jogger sheep comment on how Nike injured them. It has nothing to do with them running sporadically, drinking five mimosas after their 6 mile long run, or being overweight.
This guy is a moron. I’ve commented on his FB posts calling him out and he’s tried to slide into my DMs being confrontational.
That guy owns a shoe store. He MUST know everything there is about biomechanical motion. So I'd believe that he is an authority on running shoe design.
/sarcasm.
I was getting injured in other shoes and now wear nike pegs. Love them. No injuries so far.
Nike shoes are stiffer though, and I do prefer shoes that flex well, especially as I do a lot of steep hills. Different shoes work for different people though.
I wore nothing but pegasus for years and never had an injury in my life until I wore the 31 with it's totally revamped design. As soon as I started wearing them I started getting killer knee injuries I still haven't totally recovered from. Coincidence? Maybe. But between that and Nike's seeming disregard for ethics and their lousy corporate culture, I have no desire to give the brand another chance, and can easily see why this store is not inclined to either. There are so many other good options in the running shoe world.
Blue Ribbon Sports wrote:
I bet the store lost its contract with Nike and that is why it bashes the brand. Classy.
This. Seems personal. Also, his page is very weird, all those feel good stories of how he saves people with his shoe advice... give me a break. I'm surprised he hasn't had a post where he saved someone from foot cancer or plague. It's probably coming.
"Little Johnny came into my store with one leg dragging behind him, moaning loudly and bleeding from several orifices. I immediately greeted him with a firm hand shake while looking him in the eyes. I then sat down with him to talk about his pain, this is where I observed all the classic symptoms of plague which most non-doctors would not recognise but I have memorised the Merck Manual for just such occasions . After some careful analysis of his walking and running, I kept him out of Nike shoes, which flex in the wrong spot, and got into some structured New Balance where I was able to immediately alleviate his symptoms of one leg dragging and greatly reduced his moaning. I instructed him to walk to the hospital right away or he would die. Had he not had the right shoes, and specifically had he been put into Nikes, there is no doubt he never would have made it to the hospital and would likely have died on the side of the road that day."
Jeff is just a guy that likes to hold a grudge. He sells Altra shoes and Saucony Freedoms that flex just like those nikes and I don't hear him trashing those shoes, because he doesn't have problems with those companies. The best part is his employees are better than him, and preach the truth he is failing to grasp: everyone is different, and every shoe will work for some people and not for others. Nike works for a specific section of the population and not for the rest of it. Go kick rocks JVH and stop railing about shoes that flex "in the wrong place".