Charlene Lipsey huge progression

Curious, isn’t it? I wonder if Kendra Chambers will run 1:58 now.

Yes she improved a lot. That doesn't mean you are a doper.

Here is Weldon's 10k progression.

1994- 30:37?

1995- 30:36?

1996- 30:19?

1997- 30:14

1998 - 29:49

1999- ??

2000 - 28:27.58

2001 - 28:10

2003 - 28:06

I'm not sure of exact digits but think it was something like that.

And he was trying all of those years. The question is is there anything that might explain the improvement other than drugs.

Yes, Lipsey joined a new group, moved, had a great training partner, went all in.

In 2000, Weldon improved more in one race than he had in the previous 6 years combined. He also quit his job, trained full time, and lived at altitude trained sea-level.

rojo wrote:

Yes she improved a lot. That doesn't mean you are a doper.

Here is Weldon's 10k progression.

1994- 30:37?

1995- 30:36?

1996- 30:19?

1997- 30:14

1998 - 29:49

1999- ??

2000 - 28:27.58

2001 - 28:10

2003 - 28:06

I'm not sure of exact digits but think it was something like that.

And he was trying all of those years. The question is is there anything that might explain the improvement other than drugs.

Yes, Lipsey joined a new group, moved, had a great training partner, went all in.

In 2000, Weldon improved more in one race than he had in the previous 6 years combined. He also quit his job, trained full time, and lived at altitude trained sea-level.

Exactly! She has run more 1500s this year then she has in all of her years before this. It's safe to say she has run more miles than she has ever before. Sometimes good coaches can recognize the differences and adjust. She was always fast, but this coach has decided to work on her weaknesses and it's paid off.

rojo wrote:

Yes she improved a lot. That doesn't mean you are a doper.

Here is Weldon's 10k progression.

1994- 30:37?

1995- 30:36?

1996- 30:19?

1997- 30:14

1998 - 29:49

1999- ??

2000 - 28:27.58

2001 - 28:10

2003 - 28:06

I'm not sure of exact digits but think it was something like that.

And he was trying all of those years. The question is is there anything that might explain the improvement other than drugs.☜

I'm glad that you said it because I was suspecting ⤴the same thing 😉

rojo wrote:

Yes she improved a lot. That doesn't mean you are a doper.

It does when Johnny Gray said the Wilson/Lipsey group was dirty.

I don’t get why so many people can’t be understand nuance. Not just here but in all walks off life. A person of one party says something. And immediately everyone on the other side says it’s awful without thinking about it.

He didn’t say she was dirty. He said her type of improvement is unusual which it is. So was Weldon’s.

Here is what he actually said about Lipsey where it’s clear he’s saying she not automatically dirty .

I say Lipsey and wejo both are dirty.

I guess the problem here, the reason for suspicion is that her training partner has a positive test.

One of those things that makes you go hmmmm..

the association wrote:

I guess the problem here, the reason for suspicion is that her training partner has a positive test.

One of those things that makes you go hmmmm..

If it walks like a duck... and it talks like a duck... and it's closest training partner has been caught being a duck...

Wowzerz wrote:

2017 1:57.38 --- 2016 2:00.65 --- 2015 2:00.60 --- 2014 2:00.91 --- 2013 2:01.70 --- 2012 2:01.40 --- 2010 2:05.34 --- 2009 2:05.83

Her time in 2009 were from when she was almost 18, now she was a week short of 26 when she ran her PB of 1:57.38. After not being able to break 2:00 for her whole life, she broke it by 2.62 seconds, PB'ing by 3.27 seconds and she didn't just ran 1:57 once, but twice. She also ran 1:58.73 in the WC after rounds, which would've almost been a 2 second PB regardless of all her other races.

The progression of PB's is really consistent over that period of time. Increasing her strength through running more 1500's is also a key factor not to mention a new training environment and coach. The only question mark is her training partner's positive test (tainted meat). I call MAJOR BULLSH*T with that. I'd like see how she performs in 2018. Now that people are suspicious will she "Back Off" the "Tainted Meat" her and Ajee bought from the Balco Butcher and go back to being a 2:00-2:01 runner? If she's clean she should consistently be running sub 2:00 and popping 1:57-1:56 in fast races in Europe

GTFO.

She was simply under trained, and as her training improved, and being pushed by her training partner, her times got better.

American is on the verge of being a powerhouse at 800m for both the men and the women.

Also, there are three MEN running in the 800m event, so even if she is taking something, which she isn't, she gets a pass from me!

rojo, if you re-read the original post, it looks like you are the one that turned a thread about progression, into a thread about doping.

rojo wrote:

Yes she improved a lot. That doesn't mean you are a doper. ...

Actually, I thought Johnny Gray's point was that a single positive test can cast doubts on the whole system, and that's why he tried to avoid it. He was worried it would cast doubt on his whole career, and he's saying here that it also casts a shadow over the coach and other athletes in the training group.

I agree with Rojo that he's not necessarily pointing fingers at Lipsey, he's just saying she's the perfect example of someone whose career can be harmed by the fallout of a single positive test.

He's also not saying that she's clean. He's saying that Wilson's positive makes him think that Lipsey is more likely to be dirty.

rojo wrote:

Yes she improved a lot. That doesn't mean you are a doper.

Here is Weldon's 10k progression.

1994- 30:37?

1995- 30:36?

1996- 30:19?

1997- 30:14

1998 - 29:49

1999- ??

2000 - 28:27.58

2001 - 28:10

2003 - 28:06

I'm not sure of exact digits but think it was something like that.

And he was trying all of those years. The question is is there anything that might explain the improvement other than drugs.

Yes, Lipsey joined a new group, moved, had a great training partner, went all in.

In 2000, Weldon improved more in one race than he had in the previous 6 years combined. He also quit his job, trained full time, and lived at altitude trained sea-level.

This is not an even comparison. Although 28:06 is a great men’s 10k time it’s not even close to a woman running 1:57 for 800m. The progression itself is not unrealistic but the progression to the world class times she is now running is suspect.

rojo wrote:

I don’t get why so many people can’t be understand nuance. Not just here but in all walks off life. A person of one party says something. And immediately everyone on the other side says it’s awful without thinking about it.

What? I can usually decipher your fat fingers, but I'm lost on this one?

Truth only generates a short-term buzz. What the BROJO's like is unverifiable controversy. That's why they mentioned Agee's name in advertisements for this Johnny Gray interview...They were stoking unverifiable controversy. It helps them fill space on a daily basis, it insures numerous clicks and controversial threads like this one. They've gone after Salazar/Rupp/N.O.P. for awhile now. I find the obsession problematic, because they have hinted at guilt for so long without providing any evidence. Is there something that you know that you are not telling us? Will Travis Tygart eventually take down the horrible, horrible, evil Salazar & Rupp? Who knows? If so, it won't be for standard epo or doping offenses, but for some newly defined violation of what?

And WTF does Agee Wilson have to do with it?!. You've lapsed into peddling suspicion and innuendo. Go f**king work for Fleet Street. Go work for FOX. It's all the same. Zeranol is not illegal in the United States. It's in all kinds of food everywhere. Tygart and USADA cannot compel Congress to make it illegal, so they instead penalize athletes who incidentally, accidentally ingest it. Agee was an age-group prodigy, she made the finals of the World Championships at the age 19, (running against verified Russian dopers) was that suspicious? Hey Wejo & Rojo, hey Johnny, did Agee fail a drug-test last summer at the World Champs, when she challenged and defeated one of the intersex-trio?

All you do is feed on and profit from ambiguity. If you had any ethics or respect for Wilson, you wouldn't spread innuendo and ignorant rumors about her.

I'm mean, how f***ing dishonest and stupid is it to say things about Agee Wilson and her training partner Charlene Lipsey's progression, while not acknowledging the equally dramatic progression of Donavan Brazier, who dropped 3 seconds in the 800 within one year (1:47.5 as a high school senior, to a 1:43.5 as a college freshman.) Amplification of baseless innuendo is what the BROJOS do.

rojo wrote:

Gray said:

This one young lady that’s running with her, she was an athlete, but she wasn’t doing like she’s doing now. She’s a beast now. And you can just say, I’m gonna get my head right and train hard. That can happen. And she might be young enough to where her greatness is starting to take effect.

Gray wants to cast doubt on her improvement because she was previously trained by his boy Khadevis her first couple of years out of college. She goes to a more sensible training program and sees a big improvement. Gray doesn't want to admit his training program of different "swings" and "speeds" is foolishness, so he concludes that her improvement is suspicious.