Why do people admire Jack Daniels so much?

I'm not a fan. Prefer Jim Beam and Chivas.

Jim Ryun was never coached by Daniels, he used Jim as a test subject for his V02 research.

Jack Daniels contributions to running mostly involved in controlled lab tests that pretty much proved and expanded upon what Lydiard knew. His real contributions to running are as a physiologist.

porra wrote:

I'm not a fan. Prefer Jim Beam and Chivas.

Evan Williams is a good friend too.

Youth is wasted on the young wrote:

He is an icon who borrowed periodization from Arthur Lydiard who should be admired. But what has Jack Daniels done as far as coaching? He has done great harm to the sport by introducing more intensity to young people.

We need to be more patient. Jim Ryun peaked at 21.

Jack Daniels peaks at 80 proof.

He gave a scientific basis to modern training methods. Had great success at Baby Nats.

Okay I give...what are baby nats?

Science wrote:

Jim Ryun was never coached by Daniels, he used Jim as a test subject for his V02 research.

Jack Daniels contributions to running mostly involved in controlled lab tests that pretty much proved and expanded upon what Lydiard knew. His real contributions to running are as a physiologist.

I read that Jim Ryun was coached by Jack Daniels in altitude training for the 1968 Olympics. Ryun actually went to Daniels. Why does this seem impossible to you? I am aware that he must have had some guidance from Bob Timmons his college coach as well.

D3 nationals. Daniels coached at D3 Cortland in upstate New York in the 90s where he had significant success.

Some argue that the his philosophy dominated an era of American mediocrity at the highest levels of the sport and that he really shouldn't be viewed as successful coach as he only succeeded at the lower levels of the sport.

His lectures are entertaining and in some ways better than the book:

https://www.youtube.com/user/runsmartproject/videos

I think he helped make great advance in the science of the sport, even if that science has now advanced past him.

And how has science passed him by? Daniels' VDOT and other methods are just as current as they ever were.

Celts Fan wrote:

And how has science passed him by? Daniels' VDOT and other methods are just as current as they ever were.

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ShortBusKid wrote:

Celts Fan wrote:

And how has science passed him by? Daniels' VDOT and other methods are just as current as they ever were.

+1

He was the first to apply hard science to trsining for the sport.

And on the other end of the coaching spectrum, Boston's Billy Squires, who would pull workouts out of his butt, on the spot, and successfully so.

ShortBusKid wrote:

Celts Fan wrote:

And how has science passed him by? Daniels' VDOT and other methods are just as current as they ever were.

+1

I'm not saying it has, some people mentioned that he shouldn't be admired because of advances in training made since most of his stuff came out. I'm saying regardless of what's happened since then or what will come next, he should be admired for what he did when he did it and what we will learn from it going forward.

Smoove wrote:

D3 nationals. Daniels coached at D3 Cortland in upstate New York in the 90s where he had significant success.

Some argue that the his philosophy dominated an era of American mediocrity at the highest levels of the sport and that he really shouldn't be viewed as successful coach as he only succeeded at the lower levels of the sport.

Daniels coached Ken Martin and Jerry Lawson, among others.

I'm a Daniels guy, so I'm not making the accusation; just reporting the common refrain on these boards. I've run under his principles since my early 90s D3 days in upstate NY, not too far from Cortland, and I just ran my third marathon under his principles this April.

ShortBusKid wrote:

Youth is wasted on the young wrote:

He is an icon who borrowed periodization from Arthur Lydiard who should be admired. But what has Jack Daniels done as far as coaching? He has done great harm to the sport by introducing more intensity to young people.

We need to be more patient. Jim Ryun peaked at 21.

Jack Daniels peaks at 80 proof.

Jack Daniels used to peak at 90 proof!

...Then 86 proof

.....Then 80 proof

Proof that Jack has gotten weaker over time.

Not sure what proof Tinman goes @ but I'm pretty sure AlSal & Canova go closer to 180 proof.

There's something to be said about concentrating on long term development for a kid and b/c of that gets passed up for a scholarship and maybe becomes a good club running road racer.

In an ideal world you guys are correct about developing athletes. but we are not in an ideal world...

Proof wrote:

ShortBusKid wrote:

Jack Daniels peaks at 80 proof.

Jack Daniels used to peak at 90 proof!

...Then 86 proof

.....Then 80 proof

Proof that Jack has gotten weaker over time.

Not sure what proof Tinman goes @ but I'm pretty sure AlSal & Canova go closer to 180 proof.

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