Good point! Why does this guy get so much press. Won a few races against purely American competition but no WRs or medals. Was it the coif? News flash for younger readers: long hair was common and normal at the time. He was breaking no ground.
mt runalot wrote:
how many Olympic medals did the drunk driver win? How many world records did he set?
Men: Ryun, Pre, Shorter, Meb
Women: Deena, Benoit-Samuelson, Emma, Jenny
No drug cheats.
I'll never understand why so many poster are so enamored with Webb. Certainly if you have a Mt Runmore for HS runners, he's on it - along with Ryun, Lindgren. 4th is difficult.
However, other than 2-3 months in 2007, he is nowhere near America's best.
In any event, my Mt Runmore is Ryun, Shorter, Pre (he was Webb before Webb and actually backed up the hype with much better results). 4th is tough. Eventually, it might be Rupp or Jager. Right now:
Bill Rogers?
Meb?
Steve Scott?
Wottle?
Lagat - hard to consider him an American (sorry).
Khannouchi - ditto.
If you don't count Lagat or Khannouchi , then as much as it pisses many off, It's probably Rupp right now. Olympic Silver and Bronze. American record at 10k, and one of the few US born (or raised) Americans to win a major marathon in the past 20 years.
blatter wrote:
I'll never understand why so many poster are so enamored with Webb. Certainly if you have a Mt Runmore for HS runners, he's on it - along with Ryun, Lindgren. 4th is difficult.
4th would be Rudy Chapa of Hammond (IN) High in the mid-70s - 8:55 deuce, 28:34(!!!) 10k in HS
Torqued Off wrote:
Good point! Why does this guy get so much press. Won a few races against purely American competition but no WRs or medals. Was it the coif? News flash for younger readers: long hair was common and normal at the time. He was breaking no ground.
mt runalot wrote:how many Olympic medals did the drunk driver win? How many world records did he set?
Mt Rushmore is not about our best presidents. It's about our most iconic ones. The ones who you say their name and you get an imagine of them.
For runners it's a combination of great running and image.
40+ years later and everyone knows who Pre is. Even many who know little about running.
Ditto Ryun. Ditto Shorter.
Put up their mugs on a mountain and most people know who they are.
It's 4th that is difficult.
Ryun, Prefontaine, Centrowitz, Rupp!
EpicQueen wrote:
Ryun, Prefontaine, Centrowitz, Rupp!
How could I forget Centro?
Yes, he's certainly high on the list for 4th and with Olympic Gold, WC Silver and Bronze it's certainly hard to beat. All he needs is a fast time to cinch it:) (sub 3:30 or sub 3:50)
Bob Schul has the 5000 meter gold. He was the best runner in about every distance for most of the 60's. His career is longer and he held more American and world records then almost everyone listed.
He is on it for sure
Webb, Scott, Spivey, Manzano, Centro, Ryun
Dudes?
Mills, Ryun, Shorter, Rupp
blatter wrote:
Bill Rogers?
Meb?
Steve Scott?
Wottle?
Lagat - hard to consider him an American (sorry).
Khannouchi - ditto.
If you don't count Lagat or Khannouchi , then as much as it pisses many off, It's probably Rupp right now. Olympic Silver and Bronze. American record at 10k, and one of the few US born (or raised) Americans to win a major marathon in the past 20 years.
You realize that half of the Presidents on Mount Rushmore were not born in the United States, right? I don't think "American born" should be a qualification for making Mount Rushmore of running, then.
Shorter, Fixx, Switzer, Benoit
These are the people that really got America running!
Mt Milemore wrote:
Webb, Scott, Spivey, Manzano, Centro, Ryun
Forgot Bowden
Torqued Off wrote:
Good point! Why does this guy get so much press. Won a few races against purely American competition but no WRs or medals. Was it the coif? News flash for younger readers: long hair was common and normal at the time. He was breaking no ground.
mt runalot wrote:how many Olympic medals did the drunk driver win? How many world records did he set?
Jealous much?
Kendra Schaaf, Jordan Hasay, Emma Coburn, Colleen Quigley, Mary Cain
KipGOATge wrote:
blatter wrote:I'll never understand why so many poster are so enamored with Webb. Certainly if you have a Mt Runmore for HS runners, he's on it - along with Ryun, Lindgren. 4th is difficult.
4th would be Rudy Chapa of Hammond (IN) High in the mid-70s - 8:55 deuce, 28:34(!!!) 10k in HS
Please. Lindgren was better than Chapa 🙄
8:40i for two miles and 13:44. 27:11 for 6 miles in 1965 (18 or 19 years old).
Mal Whitfield has to be up there next to Ryunapart from being 1st guy to win 2 golds at 800 he ran back in '50 a 1'49.2yWR off 21.6y !!!!to hold onto a 1'49.2y off the most suicidal furlong split in recorded history is beyond beliefmy estimate that if he'd run that on a '70s synthetic off 24-low/mid, he wouda been looking at~ 1'41-flat/low& that was in '50 !!!https://trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/showthread.php?147946-Mal-Whitfield-s-880y-WR-19-08-1950&s=2376c7e24fa3000e630bf2831e948505
As bizarre as it may sound, I didn't commit a typographical error in the WR book. The hare (Ted Theodore) was asked to take Whitfield through the 440 in 52.5, as reported in T&F News, but got caught up in the excitement of it all, and went through in 50.5, after a first 220 of 21.6...
and the T&FN report states that Whitfield was "on Theodore's heels" at the 220 mark
in fact, i woud say that Whitfield on that day was easily the greatest intrinsic talent this sport has ever seen before mid-'60s, far superior to likes of owens/nurmi/zatopek/elliott/snell/bannister/tommie smith/hayes
we are talking about a guy who in '50 was in 1'41 shape...
Jim Ryun
Steve Prefontaine
Bob Kennedy
Alan Webb
Gary Glitter wrote:
Dudes?
Mills, Ryun, Shorter, Rupp
once again, Mills career is not close to Schuls.
doot doot wrote:
KipGOATge wrote:4th would be Rudy Chapa of Hammond (IN) High in the mid-70s - 8:55 deuce, 28:34(!!!) 10k in HS
Please. Lindgren was better than Chapa 🙄
8:40i for two miles and 13:44. 27:11 for 6 miles in 1965 (18 or 19 years old).
Learn to read - Webb, Ryun, Lindgren, Chapa. Lindgren is on there.