According to Sally Bergesen, there's a Harvey Weinstein-type scandal in T&F???

Jerry Shoemaker wrote:

Fleshman's tweets are always designed to get other women to rally for her. Nothing wrong with this concept, but most of them are just plain hateful.

She is a "has-been" that can only get support by tweeting controversial statements. This is soooo old. She should just move on with her life. You are no longer a popular runner. Move on!

I’m sure she really cares about what some message board dweller like yourself says that she should do with her life.

Bump, after all this time there must be something. Salazar making moves on Goucher?

Hopefully with the #metoo movement, this will come out in the track world. Sleezy Saladbar, a married man with kids, making passes at athletes, giving massages in his underwear, and all sorts of other creepy things.

If there's a Weinstein-like scandal in T&F, the window of opportunity is dwindling to come out against someone's misgivings. As for doping - the general public doesn't seem to care.

Sleezysal wrote:

Bump, after all this time there must be something. Salazar making moves on Goucher?

No way. If Salazar even looked at Goucher in the wrong way she would be tweeting #metoo.

Nothing happened to Goucher because if it did, the whole world would know.

The scandal is that Bergesen and Kara are charging people $80 for a "sleeveless hooded sweatshirt".

Seriously, I could do this for you for about $12. $10 for a hooded sweatshirt at Wal-Mart $2 for a pair or scissors.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

The scandal is that Bergesen and Kara are charging people $80 for a "sleeveless hooded sweatshirt".

Seriously, I could do this for you for about $12. $10 for a hooded sweatshirt at Wal-Mart $2 for a pair or scissors.

True entrepreneurs. I love America.

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

The scandal is that Bergesen and Kara are charging people $80 for a "sleeveless hooded sweatshirt".

Seriously, I could do this for you for about $12. $10 for a hooded sweatshirt at Wal-Mart $2 for a pair or scissors.

YaYaMon wrote:

True entrepreneurs. I love America.

...and then you have the morans who actually pay $80 for that.

I'm a woman and I have to admit how turned off I am about the whole Oiselle feminist girl power rah-rah stick-it-to-the-man marketing strategy. It's so corny and overdone and is the female running equivalent of mass-produced Che Guevara T-shirts. These women have built their entire marketing campaign on how they are "feminist revolutionaries" fighting the evil patriarchy (which is somehow represented by Nike, and while I grant that Nike is indeed awful, it's not because they are sexist).

Come on, ladies. You're not oppressed. You're a bunch of rich, skinny white ladies who live in hip coastal cities and drink $8 lattes every morning while rehashing Game of Thrones. And you're not "fighting power" either. You're making $80 sports bras and jackets that only a select group of women will ever be able to afford.

arbor day wrote:

I'm a woman

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arbor day wrote:

I'm a woman and I have to admit how turned off I am about the whole Oiselle feminist girl power rah-rah stick-it-to-the-man marketing strategy. It's so corny and overdone and is the female running equivalent of mass-produced Che Guevara T-shirts. These women have built their entire marketing campaign on how they are "feminist revolutionaries" fighting the evil patriarchy (which is somehow represented by Nike, and while I grant that Nike is indeed awful, it's not because they are sexist).

Come on, ladies. You're not oppressed. You're a bunch of rich, skinny white ladies who live in hip coastal cities and drink $8 lattes every morning while rehashing Game of Thrones. And you're not "fighting power" either. You're making $80 sports bras and jackets that only a select group of women will ever be able to afford.

It never fails - women just LOVE to tear each other down. Done such a good job at it that all the white males have laughed their way to the top of every powerful position in society regardless of qualifications or mere competency while women catfight each other for the bread crumbs left over. So it's not for you - ok - so what. Hopefully you have better things to do than piss and moan about it on some silly website. If other people find something positive in it and it helps them in the life good for them as there are a lot worse things they could be doing.

arbor day wrote:

I'm a woman and I have to admit how turned off I am about the whole Oiselle feminist girl power rah-rah stick-it-to-the-man marketing strategy. It's so corny and overdone and is the female running equivalent of mass-produced Che Guevara T-shirts. These women have built their entire marketing campaign on how they are "feminist revolutionaries" fighting the evil patriarchy (which is somehow represented by Nike, and while I grant that Nike is indeed awful, it's not because they are sexist).

Come on, ladies. You're not oppressed. You're a bunch of rich, skinny white ladies who live in hip coastal cities and drink $8 lattes every morning while rehashing Game of Thrones. And you're not "fighting power" either. You're making $80 sports bras and jackets that only a select group of women will ever be able to afford.

Thank you for communicating something I've been trying to articulate for so long now. FYI: Also a woman - see there are at least 5 of us on here! - and also so turned off by Oiselle now.

arbor day wrote:

I'm a woman and I have to admit how turned off I am about the whole Oiselle feminist girl power rah-rah stick-it-to-the-man marketing strategy. It's so corny and overdone and is the female running equivalent of mass-produced Che Guevara T-shirts. These women have built their entire marketing campaign on how they are "feminist revolutionaries" fighting the evil patriarchy (which is somehow represented by Nike, and while I grant that Nike is indeed awful, it's not because they are sexist).

Come on, ladies. You're not oppressed. You're a bunch of rich, skinny white ladies who live in hip coastal cities and drink $8 lattes every morning while rehashing Game of Thrones. And you're not "fighting power" either. You're making $80 sports bras and jackets that only a select group of women will ever be able to afford.

You are describing a fairly common behavioral pattern: power-hungry privileged people constantly ranting about the power structure and how corrupt it is and how they are the ones who can "save the world." The personal lives of such people are usually very entertaining, with BDSM behavior quite common. They operate very much like cults, with the leader living lavishly while admonishing the underlings to "sacrifice for the cause."

Social Profiler wrote:

You are describing a fairly common behavioral pattern: power-hungry privileged people constantly ranting about the power structure and how corrupt it is and how they are the ones who can "save the world." The personal lives of such people are usually very entertaining, with BDSM behavior quite common. They operate very much like cults, with the leader living lavishly while admonishing the underlings to "sacrifice for the cause."

Welcome to academia administration, and more recently, athletic administration (i.e. SWA/Title IX directors and compliance). They are the new 'predator', and the more 'compliance' boxes they can check off, the higher up the ladder they go. Ultimately, it is fraud.

I get that people like what they like and that should be the end of it. But it's at least slightly off-putting that Oiselle as a brand markets themselves in part by their assertion that they're "fighting the power" and how they're so different from Nike. But I mean, come on. Just own up to the fact that you're just another company who caters to rich people while exploiting overseas children in garment factories.

Wow, this thread is getting really good!

I just wish women would keep their on eye on the ball of what the real problem is. When you reference Harvey Weinstein you are talking about someone who had immense corporate power and leveraged that power over women to get sexual favors.

I've generally defended Salazar on this board. But I've maintained all along that he was irresponsible with the corporate power he wielded. He made his athletes feel like just a cog in a machine. But did he use that power to make sexual advances? I very much doubt it. Based on everything I've read on Salazar that doesn't seem like his end game.

great runners like Kate Grace and Stephanie Rothstein Bruce have left Oiselle. They can't pay for top talent.

Small retail companies have a difficult time surviving in this economy.

Sally Bergesen is just making a statement out of anger. Sally's friend Kara Goucher has been wrong so far about "the big bomb being dropped on Al Sal REAL soon".

I'm still waiting Kara.