My high school team got suddenly good...

Concord's always been pretty good, I used to race against the guys from Africa back in the day. Also Brown is one of those "fast" courses....like its probably either short or downhill....looks like they averaged 16:52 at Manch Invite this year...still good, but the Brown course makes you look better than you are....we'll see how good they really are at Class L's in 2 weeks

I live in NH and follow HS XC fairly regularly.. It seems like Concord has completely changed their program around the past few years with their new coach. These guys have absolutely dominated NH this year. And yes, Brown is a very fast course, it's probably at least a bit short if we're being honest. But at another fast race up in Maine they averaged 16:11, so they're a legit team. Wouldn't be surprised if they got top 3 at New England's.

On another note, NH had some pretty fast freshman today @ Brown, 8 under 16:30.

hgjhgjgk wrote:

Concord's always been pretty good, I used to race against the guys from Africa back in the day. Also Brown is one of those "fast" courses....like its probably either short or downhill....looks like they averaged 16:52 at Manch Invite this year...still good, but the Brown course makes you look better than you are....we'll see how good they really are at Class L's in 2 weeks

Who are you ? I was the white one out of the top 3 haha. They were from Sudan. Antoine Gisore actually ran a 14:40 5k in college, pretty decent. Funnily enough their coach now is my friends brother. Also, good to know Goddark park is a little fast, because those 5km times made me confused. We also had Guor Marial, who came back to run with us as a freshman in college for the summer when I was a freshman in high school.

The Brown course is extremely flat, but also quite short for a 5k. Been measured many times, you don't hit the 3 mile mark until you are in the chute. Accurate measurement is about 2.98 miles.

So that additional 0.1 miles is probably another 28-30 seconds. Get you to an average of 16:19 or so, which makes more sense for that team.

I can definitely relate to this thread.

So I went to Loudoun Valley High School, and ran there over a decade ago. I was actually the captain my senior year. Recently the school has gotten pretty famous since Drew Hunter ran there, and they had 7 runners under 16 minutes in an early meet this season, which was a first in the state of Virginia apparently.

To give you an idea of how much the team has changed since I've been there, I was the best person on the team my senior year, and I didn't even break 18 minutes in the 5K that season (I did the previous season). Now there's 7 kids under 16 minutes.

Has any team really improved more than this?

The Winona Cotter girls team in Minnesota got 18th out of 21st last year in the Section 1A meet.

This year, Winona Cotter added the Ping sisters. They also have another very good freshman girl who didn’t run in the section meet last year, but this year she ran in all of the meets including the section meet and was the 3rd fastest girl on the team. So Winona Cotter got first as a team in the section 1A meet and made it to the state meet for the first time since 2003. And they got 2nd in the Class A state meet (1 point behind the team that got 1st).

The top 4 Winona Cotter girls this year were freshmen and under so this team has a bright future.

DawnJohnson wrote:

Maybe I could even join up and train with them haha. I feel like their coach should be training collegians.

At the Boulder Running Clinic last January, it was said that top high school runners train like college runners.

Bang Bang wrote:

At the Boulder Running Clinic last January, it was said that top high school runners train like college runners.

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That has happened for years. Older brother or sister runs in college. Younger sibling starts doing the same training. Wins state championships.

Herriman UT had lots of guys pr this year

well they got the great oak coach, doug soles

Doug is lots more than a coach