Galen Rupp is still basically a 2:10 guy

Fogrunr wrote:

albertroll wrote:

Yes he ran 2:09 finishing the race at 4:30 pace, but he ran most of it well over 2:10 pace beating guys who ran 2:10 or slower. He has never beaten someone who was running better than 2:10. Unless he gets out of his 2:10 rut, Galen "2:10" Rupp will never win Berlin or the Olympics because those are not 2:10 races.

He's basically a guy who believed in himself more than the other runners in the race today. He's basically a loved father with two beautiful children. He's basically a solid down-to-earth guy and you can't find any chinks in his armor. He's basically an NCAA champion, three-time Olympian, multi-American record holder, Olympic silver medalist, World bronze medalist and major marathon champion. He must be a rather significant figure if so many people talking about him.

Here's the thing, that résumé just screams "2:10." Olympic bronze? That was 2:10. NCAA champ? That's 2:10 stuff. (I know it's not literally a 2:10 marathon, but it's at best, 2:10 caliber.)

Galen needs to really blow 2:10 out of the water. Not just run 2:10 pace and kick. He's gotta destroy 2:10, he's gotta drop several minutes and REALLY make a mark that says "I am not just a 2:10 guy."

scorpion_runner wrote:

They don't want to hear the truth, man. So you're wasting your time. This is american where terrible films win oscars, and horrible food is sought after. This is also the place where americans take selfies of walking the marathon, instead of focusing on running the marathon.

This is the land of glitter, but no substance. All they care about is the finish

Substance is not high on the list, because it is hard to do..

Why do you think pacers were removed, because it made it hard for americans to win. They didn't stand a chance.

Rupp ran a race that was designed for him to win. Chicago is now a 2:10 course, and is now slower than new york and boston.

Very true. He's gotta aim high, nuke 2:10 into orbit, not nearly "break" 2:10 by less than a minute. Which he can and will totally do. But he hasn't yet.

You will never win Berlin or the Olympics because those are not 2:10 races.

Rupp has been groomed for 15 years to be the best he can be. He has had the finest coaching, the finest training facilities, the finest support and still is only a 2:10 marathoner. Remove Rupp from his cushy conditions and place Derrick. He would be a 2:07 or better marathoner now. Rupp has been a major disappointment considering he has had more advantages than any other marathoner in the world in history.

Rupp vs every other American distance runner put together:

Rupp loses!

Rupp was a slower miler than Lagat, Centrowitz, Webb.

Rupp didn't didn't have as good a record in winning 3000 and 5000 m races as Lagat.

Rupp's PR in the 5000 is slower than Lagat, Solinsky and Ritz.

Lagat's 1500m PR is (relatively) faster than Rupp's 10,000 m PR.

Flannegan, Simpson, Mazzano, Centrowitz together have won more Olympic medals and world championship medals than Rupp.

Meb also won a world marathon major.

Khannouchi, Ritz and Hall all ran faster marathon times.

Rupp sucks!

Everyone else combined together are way better!!

albertroll wrote:

Yes he ran 2:09 finishing the race at 4:30 pace, but he ran most of it well over 2:10 pace beating guys who ran 2:10 or slower. He has never beaten someone who was running better than 2:10. Unless he gets out of his 2:10 rut, Galen "2:10" Rupp will never win Berlin or the Olympics because those are not 2:10 races.

He won the race by :30 over the defending Champion (a Kenyan -- a nation who has been dominating distance running for 30 years) with the last 5 miles at 4:35 pace.

Keep on slagging him off, I am not a fan of Rupp, but give credit where credit is due. You couldn't run 2 miles in 9:10 and you are criticizing him. Sad, really sad.

Rupp is basically an Olympic bronze medalist and major marathon champion.

Ronald Dump wrote:

Rupp is basically an Olympic bronze medalist and major marathon champion.

Olympic silver medalist as well

Hmmm.... wrote:

Ronald Dump wrote:

Rupp is basically an Olympic bronze medalist and major marathon champion.

Olympic silver medalist as well

What a waste of a life. Shaking my head in dismay.

Hmmm.... wrote:

Ronald Dump wrote:

Rupp is basically an Olympic bronze medalist and major marathon champion.

Olympic silver medalist as well

I was referring to marathons which is what the thread is about.

Le Grande Orange wrote:

And we're supposed to be impressed by a 2:09:XX guy? When the women's winner runs 2:18:XX? C'mon man!

DING DING DING!!!

a good tactical win over a mediocre field in a dog$shit race; Flying Pig ** is ** more impressive than Chicago.

Le Grande Orange wrote:

And we're supposed to be impressed by a 2:09:XX guy? When the women's winner runs 2:18:XX? C'mon man!

I'm not sure what this means, but since they got rid of pacers, the gap between the men and the women has shrunk dramatically. This year it was 9 minutes, last year it was 10. In 2015, it was 14. In 2014, the last year with pacers, the gap was 20 minutes.

It could be, as several posters suggest, that because the men & women run together, the women can find pacers, while the men can't. Or maybe the women's field is stronger than the men's. Or maybe...

He will run in the 2:06-2:07 range if he runs London next year. Most likely he will not win though, but it is a step in the right direction if he eventually wants to try to run in the 2:04 range.

I just wanted to mention, even though this thread is not about him that Tadesse is not made for the marathon, it is obvious. He uses too much energy with that rocking form, not smooth at all. I t is not an issue in the half marathon because he can tolerate it for one hour or less. He runs out of gas at twice the distance.

I watched the race today and he is really using too much energy even running 5 minute pace.

I know he ran fast at the Nike special marathon but he showed today that he is not a 2:06 guy.

"... that he is not a 2:06 guy."

Sure he is. He broke his personal best?

I think there is more symbolism in Galen not wearing a watch.

He's got all the time in the world without the watch.

Watch :)

Second place was 2:09:48.

Isn't that faster than 2:10?

Not on LRC.

beaverton beaver flashin' mom wrote:

Le Grande Orange wrote:

And we're supposed to be impressed by a 2:09:XX guy? When the women's winner runs 2:18:XX? C'mon man!

DING DING DING!!!

a good tactical win over a mediocre field in a dog$shit race; Flying Pig ** is ** more impressive than Chicago.

"Mediocre"? You mean this Kimetto guy?

The same Derrick that grew up in a upper class family at good high school, ran at a top college program and has accesses to all the same facitlites as Rupp does now?

broken arrow wrote:

He will run in the 2:06-2:07 range if he runs London next year. Most likely he will not win though, but it is a step in the right direction if he eventually wants to try to run in the 2:04 range.

I just wanted to mention, even though this thread is not about him that Tadesse is not made for the marathon, it is obvious. He uses too much energy with that rocking form, not smooth at all. I t is not an issue in the half marathon because he can tolerate it for one hour or less. He runs out of gas at twice the distance.

I watched the race today and he is really using too much energy even running 5 minute pace.

I know he ran fast at the Nike special marathon but he showed today that he is not a 2:06 guy.

Nailed it.

But if you watch the Nike Breaking 2 stuff on Nat Geo they make it sound like Tadesse is the utmost in marathon efficiency. Not exactly telling the truth at Nike, who figured?