Breaking Bad didn't make Albuquerque look all that great either.
Breaking Bad didn't make Albuquerque look all that great either.
Angelo Mysterioso wrote:
I'd rather see all that scholarship money going to American kids!
MAGA
The New Mexico high school graduates already get free tuition through the lottery scholarship. They have to maintain a C+ or B- average depending on the status of the state fund. The lottery scholarship was championed by Gary Johnson when he was governor and is probably the best investment the state ever made. Rather than wasting money on the seemingly bottomless pit of public education, the lottery scholarship assures that any academically motivated New Mexico student can go to college. What better way to motivate an economically disadvantaged student attending an under performing public school than to make it clear that there is a way out. Not bad for one of the 5 poorest states in the union. UNM is particularly good in the STEM subjects because of the nearby location and frequent collaborations and internships with the national laboratories.
So there is no reason to think that attracting top foreign athletes is denying New Mexico students an education. #golobos
FriendlyLobo wrote:
May every other team rest in peace when the Lady Lobos get their number 5 spot stronger.
RIP in peace
May the all the teams rest in peace when Colorado peaks for the national championships. As we all know Mark w. is the master.
Im surprised at this early season flash of brilliance by Colorado.
NotMorman wrote:
Breaking Bad didn't make Albuquerque look all that great either.
The women's XC team is one of the few things that makes us look great.
To Dog meat Oregon Women>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Colorado Women Oregon has 4 runners ranked on the Womens side in the top 25 according to Flotrack and Colorado has one runner in the top 25 just wait Oregon peaks it's runners for NCAA look for Oregon to get much stronger as the year goes on. GO DUCKS fyi AT NCAA it will be Oregon 1 New Mexico 2 Colorado 3 Stanford 4
Aside from high altitude, talented athletes, and competent coaching, what other factor has historically existed in the greater Albuquerque community that contributes to sustained and often dramatic improvements in performance?
true505local wrote:
FriendlyLobo wrote:I see a couple of problems with UNM trying to recruit domestically.
1. The school is simply not too attractive athletically. We have two national championship winning teams. Skiing, and the 2015 women's XC team. Now tell me, would a top-level HS kid want to come here, or go to a place like Oregon or CU. Oregon is the birthplace of Nike, the home of Pre, and has multiple top-level athletic teams, not to mention the many XC titles they have. CU has multiple titles, good athletic teams, and Running with the Buffaloes. You tell me where you would go if you were a top HS guy/girl looking to succeed in the NCAA.
2. UNM is not exactly known for having great academics. Compare it to most other national-ranking teams and you can see.
3. The UNM budget isn't very large in general. The money that does go to athletics gets squandered and wasted on our trash Basketball/Football teams. (Our football team/school is still proud that we beat Boise St. ONCE about 3-4 years ago). If you were Franklin, wouldn't you want to spend the little money you do get for recruiting on people who are sure to help you win? Might as well use that UK pipeline while you have it, and what coach wouldn't try to get Ednah Kurgat?
4. Location. Yes ABQ has a great training environment, but so does CU, Oregon, Stanford, etc. I wouldn't believe that location would be much of a factor in determining where a top notch high schooler would want to go. It's different for pro-teams/Kenyans, but it wouldn't be that important for a 18 year old trying to make it in the NCAA
FriedlyLobo has it backwards. UNM is fully funded on both the men's and women's side, which makes it laughable how crappy the men's team is. Franklin is an excellent manager and smart in that he sees patterns well. He is absolutely not that knowledgeable about the science of the sport, but he has four-six basic workouts that he employs that are safe for the runners (10x400, ladder 200-1200/1600, 8-10xk, 6-8xk/400, slow 800s before a race and a tempo run every friday along the river). There is zero individualization, so no development there. These workouts work extremely well for the UK athletes who were brought up in a system where they simply do very intense interval based training with short recoveries with little focus on LT work. By using tempo runs consistently, Franklin is able to capitalize on the talent of these UK runners. He absolutely does not develop local athletes. There have been a couple locals who have done well, but by and large, high school runners from ABQ or NM who go to UNM do not develop. It is what it is, but don't try and defend this system for what it is not.
I would agree with you, except for last year. Plus you need to lay off the bong and focus on grammar.
Lobo ladies wow wrote:
ABQ is a great place to train, and eventually top domestic kids will seek UNM in order to train with the best.
Although I've lived here for a long, long time, I have no dog in this fight as I did not attend UNM. These are just some observations.
At this point, I don't see many 'domestic' kids seeking out UNM. I'm not sure why, as there are many positives (altitude, weather). To FriendlyLobo, I don't think you can blame the tradition of Oregon, CU, Stanford, etc. There are ample 'domestic' kids to recruit to UNM. As a staff, UNM is either spending their time/money elsewhere and/or not having much luck recruiting blue-chip 'domestic' talent. With some exceptions, of course.
Although Boulder >> ABQ, CU was not always the powerhouse they are now. Wetmore changed things for CU. I've never understood why UNM and CSU haven't been able to build strong XC programs with 'domestic' talent. Not judging, just believe both could be top 15-20 programs year in and year out with minimal 'foreign' contributions. And I'm not against foreign athletes competing in the NCAA, just would like to see more 'domestics' at UNM.
Yep, and there were some others who looked good at the CU Shootout.
Dog meat wrote:
May the all the teams rest in peace when Colorado peaks for the national championships. As we all know Mark w. is the master.
Im surprised at this early season flash of brilliance by Colorado.
CSU (at least the men's side) is at that level now, although the women's program has dropped off a bit (used to be the other way around). CSU is almost exclusively domestic (and mostly Colorado kids). Siemers has done a fantastic job of building the program back up and doing it with talent that isn't necessarily top tier coming out of high school.
ck3237 wrote:
All the Fab Five not from Michigan
They were talking about Michigan State anyway.
Exactly right. At this stage of the season CU looks very good. They will peak for Nationals.
CU's homegrown approach versus other school's plug and play approach has been debated for decades. Have you seen a school recruit someone who doesn't even speak english? Weird since all classes are taught in english. Anything to get a winning team. This happens. Also got to like the coaches who claim to recruit US runners only and then make up excuses for why they have 1, 2 or 3 non-US runners on their team. CU is looking good this season and they will do well at Nationals, Anything can happen on the day and NM is good too.
Daughter was recruited by UNM this fall. No interest due to a couple facts. Team is mainly foreigners at least among top seven. Also, Coach Franklin seems to bring several one and done 5th years into the program each year. Got to believe it would be demoralizing to train hard for a year or two and think that you are about to break into top seven only to find out that several fast 5th years with no prior affiliation with UNM will be joining the team and bumping you down.
I get the survival of the fittest approach and how this competition for top 7 makes the team stronger. It's great for the coach but not so great for building team chemistry. It's one thing to build competition from within by developing 8-10 girls gradually over a period of several years. It's something wholly different to go out each year and snag several strangers who have been coached and developed elsewhere for past 4 years and drop them into your team where they are likely to push back individuals who were otherwise on cusp of top seven. Most Americans like my daughter are not attracted by this approach.
UNM will always struggle to recruit top Americans as long as it continues its current recruiting practices. In fairness, it may be a chicken and egg question. Franklin may have struggled to recruit talented Americans to UNM originally and only achieved success when resorting to the foreign play and more recently the 5th year runner.
UNM Recruit Dad wrote:
Daughter was recruited by UNM this fall. No interest due to a couple facts. Team is mainly foreigners at least among top seven. Also, Coach Franklin seems to bring several one and done 5th years into the program each year. Got to believe it would be demoralizing to train hard for a year or two and think that you are about to break into top seven only to find out that several fast 5th years with no prior affiliation with UNM will be joining the team and bumping you down.
I get the survival of the fittest approach and how this competition for top 7 makes the team stronger. It's great for the coach but not so great for building team chemistry. It's one thing to build competition from within by developing 8-10 girls gradually over a period of several years. It's something wholly different to go out each year and snag several strangers who have been coached and developed elsewhere for past 4 years and drop them into your team where they are likely to push back individuals who were otherwise on cusp of top seven. Most Americans like my daughter are not attracted by this approach.
UNM will always struggle to recruit top Americans as long as it continues its current recruiting practices. In fairness, it may be a chicken and egg question. Franklin may have struggled to recruit talented Americans to UNM originally and only achieved success when resorting to the foreign play and more recently the 5th year runner.
Sounds like your daughter just couldn't cut it.
UNM Recruit Dad wrote:
Daughter was recruited by UNM this fall. No interest due to a couple facts. Team is mainly foreigners at least among top seven. Also, Coach Franklin seems to bring several one and done 5th years into the program each year. Got to believe it would be demoralizing to train hard for a year or two and think that you are about to break into top seven only to find out that several fast 5th years with no prior affiliation with UNM will be joining the team and bumping you down.
I get the survival of the fittest approach and how this competition for top 7 makes the team stronger. It's great for the coach but not so great for building team chemistry. It's one thing to build competition from within by developing 8-10 girls gradually over a period of several years. It's something wholly different to go out each year and snag several strangers who have been coached and developed elsewhere for past 4 years and drop them into your team where they are likely to push back individuals who were otherwise on cusp of top seven. Most Americans like my daughter are not attracted by this approach.
UNM will always struggle to recruit top Americans as long as it continues its current recruiting practices. In fairness, it may be a chicken and egg question. Franklin may have struggled to recruit talented Americans to UNM originally and only achieved success when resorting to the foreign play and more recently the 5th year runner.
This is a fair point. I am sorry that UNM was not a good fit for your daughter, I hope that she is able to find a school that fits her. I will say that the UNM women are good solid group with good chemistry (the girls that I know at least). But it's true that it can be demoralizing to have a one-and-done fifth-year shake things up. I believe Courtney Frerichs was such a fifth year (too lazy to fact check on that one).
As for your last point, I wholeheartedly agree.
Incredibly talented wrote:
Exactly right. At this stage of the season CU looks very good. They will peak for Nationals.
Right, cause no one else is doing this. I suppose Oregon, Stanford, UNM, etc. all peaked for the first competition.
land of enchantment wrote:
At this point, I don't see many 'domestic' kids seeking out UNM. I'm not sure why, as there are many positives (altitude, weather). To FriendlyLobo, I don't think you can blame the tradition of Oregon, CU, Stanford, etc. There are ample 'domestic' kids to recruit to UNM. As a staff, UNM is either spending their time/money elsewhere and/or not having much luck recruiting blue-chip 'domestic' talent. With some exceptions, of course.
I'm not blaming the tradition of those universities, I'm just saying that they are a factor in an immature American high-schooler's decision. Fast high-schooler's probably have Pre posters on their wall and Running with the Buffaloes in their rooms. You can't tell me legends and traditions like that have no impact on their decisions.
UNM doesn't really have that same appeal.
Colorado won the meet and they are all doing the same thing. Aiming to peak at Nationals. What's your point. CU will win LOL.
Except UNM was missing their # 5 Elizabeth weiler who is a former all American in xc...... with her they would have beat cu wh Ch we will see at nats
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
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