I'm looking at Ohio St. page. Ohio St. states Ted Ginn Jr. raced 46.57 400m in high school.
I'm looking at Ohio St. page. Ohio St. states Ted Ginn Jr. raced 46.57 400m in high school.
Nolan Cromwell was a pretty good Intermediate Hurdler 49.47 and was a ProBowl DB for the Rams.
Star wrote:
But I pointed out all of the really good short sprinters to make it in the NFL without any notable 400m runners making it.
Just because you didn't note them doesn't mean they don't exist.
Star wrote:
He was saying that a 400m runner would be more suited for the NFL than a 100m runner because the repeat sprints to go out for passes is more like 400m training.
But I pointed out all of the really good short sprinters to make it in the NFL without any notable 400m runners making it.
Ollie Matson is a hall of fame member and won bronze in the 400. Glen Davis had a short career in the NFL. I think why you don't see virtually no long sprinters that play in the NFL is because of the size of the modern player. Even the short sprinters are rarer as most of them are too skinny to absorb the hits of the NFL.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Juantorena could have done it! He was 185 at racing weight. You collide with him and you will be flattened.
A 180 pound man moving 20mph will do more damage than a 300 pound man moving 10mph, which is faster than most 300 pounders can go. Momentum is everything.
Have you ... have you ever watched football?
He was talking exclusively about wide receivers and he's most likely right. The best short sprinters tend to end up as running backs, but if you look at the best receivers .... thinking the likes of Moss, Fitzgerald, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson etc. more recently, they'd almost definitely have been better suited to 400m than 100m on the track (and yes, that is conjecture).
Some very decent short sprinters have been succesful at WR recently though, Tyreek Hill being an obvious one. I'd be suprised if he has the longevity as the above mentioned though
ironside wrote:
UK Coach: There is bell curve regarding NFL wide receiver speed. I am guessing about 4.5 is the mean speed for wide receivers with a normal bell curve. Is 4.5 NFL speed closer to the raw speed of 400m athletes? Most likely. Do the 4.5 NFL wide receivers run close to 4.5 speed in the 4th quarter of football games? Maybe. Do 4.3 speed NFL wide receivers run close to 4.6 speed in the 4th quarter? Possibly. I am familiar with the speed of Bob Hayes and the speed of Johnny "Lam" Jones. I am also aware of the productivity of Chris Carter and Steve Largent. Sprinting speed is most likely the fourth most important factor for a wide receiver
Good stats.
Am I the only one that cringes when ukathleticscoach posts on here?
Gatlin's comments were incorrect, they sound like something someone would say who never played football. Being a wide receiver favor does not favor 400m type sprinters, if actually favors raw acceleration. As a start, a 165 pound 400m sprinter has the wrong body type, a 185 100m sprinter is closer to an NFL wide receiver body. A wide receiver will only sprint all out more than 40 yards 2-3 times in a game. Most plays you are only sprinting about 20 yards and then there is at least 2 minutes before you sprint again. You spend most of time standing around, the ball is only in play about 15 minutes. Subtract the time outs, quarters, half time, when your team is on defense and the plays you are not involved in, sprinting for a track & field athlete should not be an issue. Also, one of the best skills of a wide receiver is knowing how to manage your effort and knowing when and when not to accelerate.
Michael Timpson was a wide receiver with over 4000 yards receiving in the NFL. Back when Paterno used to let athletes run track in the offseason (don't get Harry Groves started!) Timpson also ran 20.2/46.8/50.5 (hurdles) for the Penn State track team.
yeah for 400, you could say RG3 though that was with hurdles...But the short sprinters (100-200) seem to have more success at WR like Tyreek Hill, Marquise Goodwin, Willie Gault, James Jett, Rocket Ismail, Randy Moss etc etc. Can't really think of many quarter-milers, though a bunch of those guys were better in the 200 i suppose.
beergutkid wrote:
Yes, as a walk-on in 2008. 4.42 40.
JRRJRJ wrote:LOL.
Just want to be sure I understand you. You think Justin Gatlin doesn't accelerate fast enough for the NFL. Are you saying this? This is your meaning?
That is fast enough
skinny dude wrote:
Star wrote:The NFL has always had converted short sprinters.
Renaldo Nehemiah, Willie Gault, Chris Johnson, Raghib Ismael, Jeff Demps ...
I don't know of any notable quarter milers in the NFL.
I'd guess maybe Gatlin is right that 400-type shape is more helpful for WR than 100-type shape, but that ignores size and strength. Top 400 guys are too thin and would get tossed around on the field.
Good point
Ollie Matson! wrote:
Ollie Matson is a hall of fame member and won bronze in the 400. Glen Davis had a short career in the NFL. I think why you don't see virtually no long sprinters that play in the NFL is because of the size of the modern player. Even the short sprinters are rarer as most of them are too skinny to absorb the hits of the NFL.
Is that our full list of 400m runners in the NFL?
Someone who ran in the 1952 Olympics in 46.8
And the other ran the 400 hurdles in the 1960 Olympics and had a total of 10 catches in the NFL.
HardLoper wrote:
beergutkid wrote:Yes, as a walk-on in 2008. 4.42 40.
That is fast enough
It's not impressive for a person in his situation. He had not played football past 9th grade.
I would respect him more if he just came out.
Shoebacca wrote:
Tim Dwight.
Tim Dwight returned a kick for a touchdown in the Superbowl in 1999. Later that spring he was on the track running the final of the NCAA 4x4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRMzA6Jl1AGatlin's comments simply indicate he has no stamina whatsoever, which is to be expected from someone whose goal is to run as fast as possible, not run quick then repeat several times during the next few hours.
I'd think 800m runners with fast 400m speed would be even more desirable and would put my money on Solomon over Gatlin any day of the week.
Just because Tim Dwight ran a leg in a 4x400 relay doesn't make him a 400 runner.
In college track he specialized in the 100 and 200 for his open events.
10.3 and 20.9