Who cares?
Who cares?
further left than VIU wrote:
Are you a working man
Are you assuming my gender?
vivalarepublica wrote:
You're wasting your time, you're not changing any minds, just trying to make yourself feel better with some petty BS.
I enjoy wasting my time presenting facts that go undebated, and then called petty BS.
The reality is, you know that you're wrong. You have to live with that. That is in your mind, and you have to live with it. Congratulations. You're the one that lives in denial, and cannot reason to the reality presented to you. You live a lie, and you have to deal with it.
White PRivilege is Real, and Here's Why
Anyone with half a brain and common sense knows that white privilege is real in America. And it doesn't mean what you think it means. It doesn't mean you don't have to work hard in life to get things. It has more to do with how you're perceived by society, especially law enforcement, in a positive light on the basis of skin color. What are the odds of a white person driving a nice car being pulled over on suspicion that the car may be stolen, or that they're selling drugs or something? Or that a white person will get followed around in a store by a manager who is just expecting them to steal something? Or eyed in a nice department store suspiciously since if you're shopping there, you must be there to steal? And we already know about police brutality and everything associated with that, and the shoot first because "I feared for my life", when video evidence showed the shooting wasn't justified. Privilege has to do with being given the benefit of the doubt in situations because of your background, and having the BEST assumed about you in situations where people of other backgrounds would have the WORST assumed about them. It's not rocket science.
Have conservatives ever denounced white male penchant for molesting kiddies or their
devotion to their favorite pastimes like pettiness,hate and bigotry ?
The Photo-op,Draft-Dodger,Tax-Evader - in Chief questions someone else's patriotism...freakin moron. But his racist base will eat this up all because of the photo.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4915816/Trump-says-NFL-criticism-race.html
State your preferred title. I will address you by your preferred title going forward.
The players should be more concerned about the 3 out of 4 children that are born outside of wedlock (except that many of them are part of the problem) than the 1 in about 5,000,000 that are wrongfully shot by police each year. The deaths are tragic, but the illegitimacy epidemic is so much more prevalent and impactful on society and is the greater problem.
+1 haven't watched football, basketball or any other sports these crybabies play.
thejeff wrote:
In other words... wrote:So the president, and his supporters on this subject, are endorsing the silencing of free speech? Seems ironic as this country is designed for, and to be protected against this very thing. I couldn't think of anything less American. Seems like the president and his followers need to leave the country if they don't like it.
1. I don't think you understand what "silencing" is. Trump's supporters want protesters to agree with them, not get dragged off by the gestapo.
2. Disrespecting the flag is a special case of free speech; by turning their back on the flag, they turn their backs on the rights that the flag symbolizes. Speak out against the president, taxes, and education all you want. Just remember that the flag symbolizes the right to speak out.
I want to start by saying that I do agree to an extent with both your points...BUT...some other angles to consider:
1) Many Trump supporters DO want any other voices silenced that don't agree with them - you can see this in the language that they use to describe those who do disagree (starting with trump), and yes, it is extreme to the point of repression. But they claim themselves to represent the nobility and virtue of American values
Which leads to...
2) The flag also has become a point of repression. Undoubtedly it stands for ideals, but these have been distorted by by those same people mentioned above, and with them claiming the moral "high" ground, there is no room for those who have legitimate grievances to express their position. So yes it is a special case of free speech, but given the poison that is being spewed by those who are using the flag as their symbol, an act of protest is not about rejecting the flag, but those who have co-opted it for positions which are not the least compatible with what it really should stand for.
markschultz25 wrote:
I really don't care what any human being has to say. Everyone in this world could die tommorow and I wouldn't care. Your lives mean nothing to me.
The truth, and stuff wrote:Lol, you are quite the case of serious delusion. Again, a 80+ year old, PhD, Harlem native, and highly noted economist and historian will be enough to prove your foolish, gullible, and incredibly useful idiotic nature...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=V7gN2EYbtgM
Great a real genius. Come on brojos, at least others that have been banned were talking about running, this guy is all hate, just the Nazis (with the exception of Sergeant Schultz).
Most of these men are so smart that when they were going to strike a couple of years ago they could not go two paychecks before they had to call the strike off. They really plan their expenses well. NOT... Is it really worth saying anything else?
The meaning and significance of these protests have radically changed.
Before they were meant to show a refusal to honor a country that has racial injustice.
Now they are meant to defy and dishonor Donald Trump.
They no longer bother me.
Doug, your points are very much true, when you look at the individual cases that have led to the Black Lives Matter movement. But I think to use these individual cases as proof that the fault lies with the people being victimized is a willful rejection of a far greater truth - that an entire group of people have been discriminated against, disenfranchised, and disadvantaged, that this is pervasive even today, and that the interactions today with law enforcement are to a large extent a product of all of this. It hasn't been very long since black people weren't considered human beings, it's been less than a lifetime since the US changed basic laws governing society to grant them their rights as human beings, and in any society, even one that claims to be evolved and developed, just because principles change doesn't mean that everyone accepts and acts on them.
You mentioned how black people are responsible for the way they act in encounters with law enforcement, and many in the community would agree with you - the public efforts by community leaders and celebrities to teach young people how to interact with law enforcement is evidence of this. It's a necessary step, especially given that white people I know also say these same things - that black people are responsible for the way these encounters go, and need to act certain ways, as if this will solve the problem. (This in particular came from one person who is ex-military; I mention this only because this where many law enforcement officers come from.)
But in what kind of society does this constitute freedom, where the "lawful commands" of officers become a justification for lethal force? Isn't that the opposite of what freedom is? This kind of law enforcement epitomizes the US, and I'm not sure that is anything to be proud of. I'm certain that there are life and death situations that need to be dealt with. But for society to accept that all situations are black or white, either compliance or non-compliance, that law enforcement has the unquestioned power to deal with situations with force, that seems to be the opposite of freedom.
The individual examples, as you pointed out, are not by any means role models. Nor am I excusing their actions in any way. But you mention shootings. By what you said (and this is the logic of many who dismiss BLM,) since there aren't shootings of more law-abiding black persons, it's proof that the movement misses the point. Yes the movement is about justice, but there is a broader issue, and dismissing BLM ignores the fact that it isn't only about shootings - it is about the way the all black people can be subjected to certain kinds of treatment from law enforcement just because they are black, regardless of who they are. In focusing on the individual cases, it becomes too easy to overlook the broader injustice that is has become acceptable to treat an entire race of people a certain way based on their race, and the consequences that affect all members of that group.
Put it another way - you can blame black people for the way they respond to law enforcement, but given the weight of a racist, repressive history, do you think white people would be any different if they were in the same position? If you think that inherently white people would react differently, or the Asian groups you mentioned, without considering history and the circumstances it has created, then isn't that ascribing a certain set of actions and behaviours to a certain group of people? Isn't that, and all the rationalizations and justifications that follow, racism?
I don't think it is defensible to say that black people bear the entire responsibility for the way they are treated by law enforcement, and this is not a narrative as the poster who replied to you said - although that is also a nice justification for willful ignorance, and yes, racism. There are those who would deny that such inequality exists, and I think that those people are again, either willfully ignorant or insidiously distorting reality to suit their own narratives.
night observer wrote:
The meaning and significance of these protests have radically changed.
Before they were meant to show a refusal to honor a country that has racial injustice.
Now they are meant to defy and dishonor Donald Trump.
They no longer bother me.
Indeed, there is now a moral imperative to kneel during the anthem.
The truth, and stuff wrote:
vivalarepublica wrote:You're wasting your time, you're not changing any minds, just trying to make yourself feel better with some petty BS.
I enjoy wasting my time presenting facts that go undebated, and then called petty BS.
The reality is, you know that you're wrong. You have to live with that. That is in your mind, and you have to live with it. Congratulations. You're the one that lives in denial, and cannot reason to the reality presented to you. You live a lie, and you have to deal with it.
What am I wrong about, oh knowledgeable one?
The Great Depression was a real problem. Hitler was a real problem. Terrorists flying planes into buildings was a real problem. Famine, drought, disease, those are real problems. Squabbling over things like statues, bathrooms, and the national anthem is a sure sign that we presently don't have real problems in this country. Maybe that lunatic in Korea will help unite us again.
The truth, and stuff wrote:
vivalarepublica wrote:You're wasting your time, you're not changing any minds, just trying to make yourself feel better with some petty BS.
I enjoy wasting my time presenting facts that go undebated, and then called petty BS.
The reality is, you know that you're wrong. You have to live with that. That is in your mind, and you have to live with it. Congratulations. You're the one that lives in denial, and cannot reason to the reality presented to you. You live a lie, and you have to deal with it.
This is just goofy. You take yourself way too seriously. You shouldn't. No one else here does.