Adela should've won Berlin...

another runner wrote:

Mkenya Daima wrote:

It was within Adola's physical capabilities to win? Of course it was! It was within everyone's physical capabilities to win when the gun went off! Unless you're saying it was within his physical capabilities to win when he and Kipchoge were duking out at the end. Which is true, and so ridiculously obvious as to be an unnecessary point to make.

Are you this dumb in real life?

You have no idea. But certainly not as dumb as you are. Don't fall in love with me too quickly - we're not exactly the same.

For many top races like Berlin and London, the blue line is showing the runners the measured/shortest path. The painting of the lines is supervised by the course measurers.

For the Rio Olympic Games we had to use a red line and I had them paint the line approximately 1 meter from the turns so it would not direct the runners into the curb (kerb - for my friends on the other side of the pond).

So what part of this is stupid?

2016 Bekele would have beaten Kipchoge in a footrace, but points taken. I thought Kipchoge was vulnerable for a very brief window culminating in the last water station. After that he was totally in control and not going to be beaten.

D.Katz wrote:

For many top races like Berlin and London, the blue line is showing the runners the measured/shortest path. The painting of the lines is supervised by the course measurers.

For the Rio Olympic Games we had to use a red line and I had them paint the line approximately 1 meter from the turns so it would not direct the runners into the curb (kerb - for my friends on the other side of the pond).

So what part of this is stupid?

None of what you wrote is stupid, but thinking Adola would have won yesterday by running on the line is stupid (not saying you hold this belief).

The marathon distance is unforgiving even for the greatest like Kipchoge

I was with him in Monza when he ran the 2:00.25 and his expression never changed even in the last kilometers as the magical sub 2 was slipping away

Yesterday, I saw that same unchanging look in Kipchoge's face as Adela was opening the gap.I thought that he would be able to catch him but I did have some doubts that Kipchoge just may not have been able to move his legs faster enough. That being sad, every meter that Adela would have gained by cutting the tangents would have possibly helped him win.

lol goatchoge told this guy to run on the blue line, he wasn't worried about losing if he did that

D.Katz wrote:

The marathon distance is unforgiving even for the greatest like Kipchoge

I was with him in Monza when he ran the 2:00.25 and his expression never changed even in the last kilometers as the magical sub 2 was slipping away

Yesterday, I saw that same unchanging look in Kipchoge's face as Adela was opening the gap.I thought that he would be able to catch him but I did have some doubts that Kipchoge just may not have been able to move his legs faster enough. That being sad, every meter that Adela would have gained by cutting the tangents would have possibly helped him lose by less.

FTFY

If the blue line is exactly 26.2 miles and there exists a shorter path then wouldn't that make the course not record certifiable? Not disputing your post, just wondering.

Seriously???? wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

Really? You've wasted a lot of your life in this thread so far proving absolutely nothing.

You are wrong. So go and fvck yourself, you arrogant dipshiit Dutch boy.

And watch that video carefully. You may learn about running.

I will definitely see you next time I'm in Seattle.

Okay bruh

They drew that NYC blue line going wide on the turn. Smith was smart enough to run the blue line but not smart enough to realize it was faulty.

Please tell me this is a joke. Do you listen to yourself talk? If the 42k course was one big track loop, that's essentially two turns. They ran 8 sharp right hand corners in just the final 5k of that race, and he was nowhere near 1 meter of the blue line. At times he was two lanes across the road! That's like 7 meters. On a track, running in lane 7 adds 20 meters for each turn, so that's 160 meters that he lost. If they were running roughly 70 second quarters, he lost 28 seconds from that distance. Can't figure out how OP got GPS states, but it's reasonable that his pace was ~28+ seconds quicker, just in the final 5k. 2:03:20 at least.

You don't actually believe that, do you? That Adola ran 160m more than Kipchoge in the last 5k?

do you believe in math?

D.Katz wrote:

For many top races like Berlin and London, the blue line is showing the runners the measured/shortest path. The painting of the lines is supervised by the course measurers.

For the Rio Olympic Games we had to use a red line and I had them paint the line approximately 1 meter from the turns so it would not direct the runners into the curb (kerb - for my friends on the other side of the pond).

So what part of this is stupid?

I guess that's how you do it when the goal is a WR, but for 99% of the road races in world, that's not how it's done. When I measure a course, I measure the center of the road and leave it to the runners to determine the tangents.

FruityLoper wrote:

Please tell me this is a joke. Do you listen to yourself talk? If the 42k course was one big track loop, that's essentially two turns. They ran 8 sharp right hand corners in just the final 5k of that race, and he was nowhere near 1 meter of the blue line. At times he was two lanes across the road! That's like 7 meters. On a track, running in lane 7 adds 20 meters for each turn, so that's 160 meters that he lost. If they were running roughly 70 second quarters, he lost 28 seconds from that distance. Can't figure out how OP got GPS states, but it's reasonable that his pace was ~28+ seconds quicker, just in the final 5k. 2:03:20 at least.

Another math fail. Running in lane 7 would only add 20 meters if it were a full 180 degree turn, which they were not. He also did not run 7 meters wide on the turns themselves. If he ever strayed a few meters from the blue line it was always on the straights where it makes negligible difference.

TrackCoach wrote:

D.Katz wrote:

For many top races like Berlin and London, the blue line is showing the runners the measured/shortest path. The painting of the lines is supervised by the course measurers.

For the Rio Olympic Games we had to use a red line and I had them paint the line approximately 1 meter from the turns so it would not direct the runners into the curb (kerb - for my friends on the other side of the pond).

So what part of this is stupid?

I guess that's how you do it when the goal is a WR, but for 99% of the road races in world, that's not how it's done. When I measure a course, I measure the center of the road and leave it to the runners to determine the tangents.

TrackCoach are you a certified A level IAAF official like David Katz is? A B level official?

David Katz has been head measurer at Two Olympic Games, only man to hold that distinction btw, and assisted on others. He is a long standing member of the IAAF Technical Committee

his USA only resume

TrackCoach f you measure your courses down the center of the road you are doing in incorrectly.

Here's a real-world example.

In 1980 I measured a marathon course that had some sections that ran on wide, curving streets and then for about 20 miles on a two-lane road with gentle curves.

The race director told me that the runners would run in the right-hand lane and not be allowed to cross the center line. So that's how I measured the course -- tangents up to, but not over, the center line. In retrospect I should have questioned that decision, but I didn't.

On race day I watched in horror as the race director himself, in the lead car, led the runners along the shortest path, regardless of lane. They used the entire road, in other words.

For the next year we remeasured, using the entire road. The difference was considerable. It was a long time ago, so I can't say exactly, but it was on the order of .2 mile.

I don't know anything about the Berlin course beyond what I saw on the broadcast, although I doubt it was a curvy as the course I'm talking about. But saying that not running the blue line wouldn't have made any difference seems silly to me.

Finally, of course TrackCoach is totally wrong.

Last aid station, he (Adola) should've had an electrolyte drink. That mistake

depleted him. In my estimation.

Bad Wigins wrote:

They drew that NYC blue line going wide on the turn. Smith was smart enough to run the blue line but not smart enough to realize it was faulty.

There was a UK Police comedy show back in the 1990s called The Thin Blue Line starring Rowan Atkinson, from what I remember, it was quite funny.