Chris Froome & Zola Budd prove only advantage Kenyans have is altitude

sageisararename wrote:

the black East African talent pool is much larger than the white talent pool-talent being born with the slender body-type that all great distance running champions have.

Nobody is born with any kind of adult body type. How that develops is far too complicated a thing to be determined by genotype. It is a matter of gene expression.

Genes are smart. If you grow up eating sparely, like many Africans, you will end up a skinny and likely short adult with a body structured to move efficiently over long distances.

Any western child raised on an east African diet would be taken from their parents by the social services and placed in a foster home.

Kenyan athletes are of Nilo Hamid origin. .they're not Bantus

Bad Wigins wrote:

Nobody is born with any kind of adult body type. How that develops is far too complicated a thing to be determined by genotype. It is a matter of gene expression.

Genes are smart. If you grow up eating sparely, like many Africans, you will end up a skinny and likely short adult with a body structured to move efficiently over long distances.

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Yeah that's why Manute Bol was almost 8 feet tall.

Time to let go that dumb schtick you've been going on about.

(who, like most of her rivals, were juiced to the gills) =

(who, like most of her rivals, WAS juiced to the gills)

And yet you have the Roberston(s) who have trained in East Africa over the last 10 years or so and who, while arguably the fastest non-african long distance runners in the world right now, they still are not there, like in "win a gold in a world champ or an olympic".

If you follow them on social media you can see they are doing all the right things - and yet... Maybe genes have something to do with it after all...

sageisararename wrote:

His body is too heavy for his knees. That's why he rides bikes and doesn't run.

Snap, snap.

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2038969.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/SKY-Procycling-riders.jpg

Altitude Not Genes wrote:https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YthsUhWMhXo/V8MjUNnr8CI/AAAAAAAAA2o/qgI_TMBXnuoO8oDcusyJLHeTSp39t-tPACEw/s1600/Skinny%2BChris%2BFroome.jpg

Froome actually looks Kenyan, even down to his facial structure. Maybe ther e is something to what Bad Wiggins is saying. Or maybe he's taking the same gear as the Kenyan juniors take and that influences gene expression?

KAV wrote:

And yet you have the Roberston(s) who have trained in East Africa over the last 10 years or so and who, while arguably the fastest non-african long distance runners in the world right now, they still are not there, like in "win a gold in a world champ or an olympic".

If you follow them on social media you can see they are doing all the right things - and yet... Maybe genes have something to do with it after all...

I doubt anyone is arguing that they are the fastest non-Africans. Because they are not even close.

froome is a cyclist which excludes what makes east african runners special.... their long achilles tendons.

budd was on top when east african women were almost non existent from international competion.

so i dont really see much to your argument.

Does anybody have a list of distance events world records of people born/rised at sea level? Of course taking out the obvious drug cheat (ma china women). I think this would be interesting.

Even in the USA, so Coburn, Hall, Lagat were raised above sea level. Anyone else that has American records or top times? Pretty sure Webb and Ritz were raised at sea level.

KAV wrote:

And yet you have the Roberston(s) who have trained in East Africa over the last 10 years or so and who, while arguably the fastest non-african long distance runners in the world right now, they still are not there, like in "win a gold in a world champ or an olympic".

If you follow them on social media you can see they are doing all the right things - and yet... Maybe genes have something to do with it after all...

ahem.

Olympic 5000m 2016 Andrew Butchart 6th

World championship 5000m 2017 Andrew Butchart 8th

288ottawa wrote:

Does anybody have a list of distance events world records of people born/rised at sea level? Of course taking out the obvious drug cheat (ma china women). I think this would be interesting.

Even in the USA, so Coburn, Hall, Lagat were raised above sea level. Anyone else that has American records or top times? Pretty sure Webb and Ritz were raised at sea level.

El G was practically from sea level.

288ottawa wrote:

Does anybody have a list of distance events world records of people born/rised at sea level? Of course taking out the obvious drug cheat (ma china women). I think this would be interesting.

Even in the USA, so Coburn, Hall, Lagat were raised above sea level. Anyone else that has American records or top times? Pretty sure Webb and Ritz were raised at sea level.

Gerard Nijboer and Rob Druppers were from below sea level.

Try again wrote:

KAV wrote:

And yet you have the Roberston(s) who have trained in East Africa over the last 10 years or so and who, while arguably the fastest non-african long distance runners in the world right now, they still are not there, like in "win a gold in a world champ or an olympic".

If you follow them on social media you can see they are doing all the right things - and yet... Maybe genes have something to do with it after all...

ahem.

Olympic 5000m 2016 Andrew Butchart 6th

World championship 5000m 2017 Andrew Butchart 8th

Ahem... we are talking of Long Distance Running here so say 10k and up. Who you got? I'll give you Tiernan and Hawkins, who are at similar level although the two brothers have a bigger range.... who else is there...

Crickets...

For Really? wrote:

KAV wrote:

And yet you have the Roberston(s) who have trained in East Africa over the last 10 years or so and who, while arguably the fastest non-african long distance runners in the world right now, they still are not there, like in "win a gold in a world champ or an olympic".

If you follow them on social media you can see they are doing all the right things - and yet... Maybe genes have something to do with it after all...

I doubt anyone is arguing that they are the fastest non-Africans. Because they are not even close.

Lets hear some names then (Tiernan & Hawkins already mentioned). Rupp maybe... HM/M with those two is a wash right now....

Chris Froome proves nothing. He was a nobody until he miraculously transformed into Superman. With a change of the guard in UCI leadership, Chris Froome will do nothing next year, and beyond.

Try again wrote:

KAV wrote:

And yet you have the Roberston(s) who have trained in East Africa over the last 10 years or so and who, while arguably the fastest non-african long distance runners in the world right now, they still are not there, like in "win a gold in a world champ or an olympic".

If you follow them on social media you can see they are doing all the right things - and yet... Maybe genes have something to do with it after all...

ahem.

Olympic 5000m 2016 Andrew Butchart 6th

World championship 5000m 2017 Andrew Butchart 8th

ahem indeed. finals in oly and wc means there are about 50 africans who didnt even make the trip that would be ahead of of those guys.

KAV wrote:

Try again wrote:

ahem.

Olympic 5000m 2016 Andrew Butchart 6th

World championship 5000m 2017 Andrew Butchart 8th

Ahem... we are talking of Long Distance Running here so say 10k and up. Who you got? I'll give you Tiernan and Hawkins, who are at similar level although the two brothers have a bigger range.... who else is there...

Crickets...

You didn't see the 10km Euro XC champs this year then? Shame Butchart didn't do the Worlds too of course.

1 Aras Kaya "TUR" (ahem) 27.39

2 Polat Kemboi Arıkan "TUR" (ahem) 27.42

3 Callum Hawkins GBR 27.49

4 Andrew Butchart GBR 28.01

With this altitude theory.. Killian jornet should have broken 2 hours in Berlin by now..

sageisararename wrote:

Chris Froome is a MASSIVE man; He cannot run.

For distance running, the black East African talent pool is much larger than the white talent pool-talent being born with the slender body-type that all great distance running champions have.

The white talent pool for cycling is much larger than the black East African talent pool. This again being the specific body-type. Chris Froome, Armstrong, Cantador etc. have it.

Yes Chris Froom himself said it on twitter

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At close to my height, Wilson Kipsang is 5 kg's below my ideal race weight!! 😳 maybe need to work a little harder!!!!!!!!