Official iPhone X Thread - Who wants to spend $1150 for animated emojis?

The really, really weird thing now about Apple and iPhones ...

Back in the 90s when this same sort of war was raging between Apple's pre-OS X computers and Windows whatever, cost was a major factor called out by many in their preference for Windows.

A Mac would be like $1000 with a comperable Wintel machine at maybe $800.

And now killer Android phones are $200 if you don't need the Samsung status symbol in your hand, and the iPhone is $800-1000. Same exact thing we saw 20-25 years ago, only this time nobody has an issue with Apple's crazy cost.

Which just shows how the country has changed ...

Shoebacca wrote:

You can compare Apple phones to Samsung phones if you want to argue Samsung is better, but you can't compare them as companies. The reason Apple is often behind Samsung is because Apple is infinitely more profitable. They'd rather save a dollar in their supply chain by using established technology then overspending to eek out 1% more performance. The result is iPhones often have better parts and efficiency while Samsung phones perform 1% better while overheating. There's no need to bang on a desk and yell that one is better than the other. Just accept that Apple has chosen to run a more stable company by not hemorrhaging profitability to chase cutting edge specification performance. Samsung has been able to use revenue to overcome slim profit margin, but they'll need to change their marketing strategy drastically if Google's HTC Pixel steals too much Android market share.

What are you talking about? The new processor in the latest iPhones blows Samsung out of the water.

Beautiful Day wrote:

The really, really weird thing now about Apple and iPhones ...

Back in the 90s when this same sort of war was raging between Apple's pre-OS X computers and Windows whatever, cost was a major factor called out by many in their preference for Windows.

A Mac would be like $1000 with a comperable Wintel machine at maybe $800.

And now killer Android phones are $200 if you don't need the Samsung status symbol in your hand, and the iPhone is $800-1000. Same exact thing we saw 20-25 years ago, only this time nobody has an issue with Apple's crazy cost.

Which just shows how the country has changed ...

I don't think any of the 200 android phones are remotely comparable to the iphone 8. If you look at the android phones with similiar quality processors, screens and cameras (and yeah maybe you don't need those), you tend to be looking at a 400-500 phone.

The price difference was also a lot more than 200 bucks between a mac and a pc 25 years ago. It was the difference between buying a 1500 pc and a 2500 mac if you were looking at similiar specs. 1000 bucks in 1992 dollars is something like 1500 dollars today. And remember absolute gaps matter more than relative ones. If the choice was between 500 android phones and 2k iphones, nobody would have an iphone. It is one thing to work another 4 hours to get an iphone. Working 30 hours isn't going to happen.

Why the heck do you need a $1k phone?

The screen is better! Well your eyes are terrible and can only perceive so much anyway.

The camera is great! Like you blowing up that photo from your "little hike" into a wall sized mural. You only look at photos on your phones now anyway. So no need for that incredible quality.

The processor is fast! To do what? Get a text message? Make a call? Store a contact? Easy there professional e-sports athlete.

It reads my face! More data for hackers to steal. Like Equifax wasn't a big enough fudge up to everyone.

The glass is indestructible! No glass screen is indestructible to a DIII women's cross country runner.

I bought a Mac in 1995 for $1200, and used it until the original iMac came out. It had 2 megs of RAM and a 40 megabyte hard drive. But yeah, the computers I used at work, which were Macs, ran a bit more.

The only thing I'll give the iPhone X is that it's truly a portable computer, and will work as one with a lightning connector and keyboard/mouse. And it's faster than an iPad Pro, so worth considering.

https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Best-Buy-Flier-1996-sm2.jpg

I can't see upgrading my current phone, a Galaxy S6. It's pretty much all I need.

I bought an iPhone 6 Plus last spring to see if I liked it better. The biggest difference... as a telephone... was that the iPhone dropped more calls and tended to have marginal reception in areas where my S6 worked fine. Granted it was also Verizon for the S6 and AT&T for the iPhone, but this happened in the upscale shopping areas where you would expect reception to be excellent.

My buddy has the older iPhone and it's constantly dropping calls as he's talking to me while I'm on my phone at home.

If I'm going to pay north of $800 for a phone, it darn sure should be able to make a telephone call.

Beautiful Day wrote:

I bought a Mac in 1995 for $1200, and used it until the original iMac came out. It had 2 megs of RAM and a 40 megabyte hard drive. But yeah, the computers I used at work, which were Macs, ran a bit more.

The only thing I'll give the iPhone X is that it's truly a portable computer, and will work as one with a lightning connector and keyboard/mouse. And it's faster than an iPad Pro, so worth considering.

https://cdn.cultofmac.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Best-Buy-Flier-1996-sm2.jpg

You realize that ad shows a 1000 dollar price difference. 1900 for a pc. 2850 for a mac. Sales tax should make it even😀

And I am pretty sure that was the era where orderinng a Dell or gateway still save you a couple hundred bucks.

Now the place where Android has fought up to the mac is charging crazy money cor storage upgrades. 10 bucks of flash results in 100 buck price increases.

No, I realize the ad shows a Mac at $2400, and an HP at $1900. That's $500 in the money in my world.

We could debate if the Mac is same specs or whatever, but then we'd be back in the 90s arguing computer values, or in today arguing whether an iPhone is better at four times the cost of a Moto G phone.

I researched this a bit just now. The Mac I bought in the mid-90s was a Performa 520, and because it was discontinued when I bought it, it was about $800 off its $2000 price. Yeah, Macs have always been more expensive. It almost killed Apple the first time. The only reason they get away with it now? I'll leave that up to you math geniuses.

This. The iPhone can handle any type of processing much better than any Samsung phone. This also makes it easier to hold onto the phone for a lot longer if you are not the type to upgrade every year (like me).

I'm not apple fan boy but I would not but a phone that runs android. I'm not really sure why but I feel comfortable with iOS. Like slipping on an old shoe. I will continue to stick iPhone even if I have to make some sacrifices elsewhere $ wise.

Beautiful Day wrote:

No, I realize the ad shows a Mac at $2400, and an HP at $1900. That's $500 in the money in my world.

Look at the *. Your mac is a useless at 2400 bucks.

Again, this is quite funny. An iPhone makes you do things one way, the way Apple intended. And pay more, and pay more once you get it (apps, accessories, repairs).

You get an Android phone, and you get to pick from a few hundred form factors, not just the one Apple dictates. And you get more apps, at no cost. And you get a choice of what you can do with it. You might call them skins or themes, or launchers, or entirely different installs that don't even include Google things. You tout Apple privacy? Right. Take a look at my Android phone, which does not run anything Google, and is firewalled, unlike what you can do with Apple.

Yes, this took a bit more effort than taking it out of the box, and dropping it in front of TV cameras. But it also allowed me to save a great deal of money, even if I get a new $200 Android phone every year, and have a phone that is far more secure than an iPhone.

Slipping on an old shoe? Baaaahhhhhhhh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjaxxC2bys0

Ddddd, are you retarded?

letmegooglethatforyou wrote:

What are you talking about? The new processor in the latest iPhones blows Samsung out of the water.

Even the iPhone 7 smushes the Galaxy 8.

Processors are Apple's strength

Beautiful Day wrote:

Yeah, Macs have always been more expensive. It almost killed Apple the first time. The only reason they get away with it now? I'll leave that up to you math geniuses.

The quality is better, and they have better resale value ($800 4-year old). Windows and Chrome machines are throwaways--maybe $100 (windows) and $20 (Chrome) resale value, if that.

Beautiful Day wrote:

Ddddd, are you retarded?

You feel pretty stupid about getting sucked in by the marketing department that made you think a 1000 dollar difference was only 500 bucks? You shouldn't. They are good at their jobs and a lot of below intelligent people fall for it all the time

Correct. A marketing department has convinced a generation of dimwits to pay up to $1000 for a smartphone.

Now you rocket scientists can start showing me benchmark specs on processors, which means about 1/10th of what you think it does, when you finally realize the phone is dependent on the network. So unless you're on T-Mobile in the US, you're wasting your money.

But you're used to that. You guys buy iPhones.

EAH wrote:

What I don't understand is what makes the iPhone X materially better than previous iterations so as to justify the extraordinary cost.

I think Apples been leading up to this price increase by giving us only marginally better phones each year. The 6 was something new & sexy but the 6S, SE, 7 were all only marginally better. The X has the new form factor with the screen plus no home button & face ID. They want you to think this is the future of phones & it's revolutionary.

Personally, if I needed a new phone & had that much to spend I'd get an 8 plus or a 7 plus.

in the no wrote:

http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-x-vs-galaxy-note-8-vs-galaxy-s8-benchmarks-comparison/

This. The iPhone can handle any type of processing much better than any Samsung phone. This also makes it easier to hold onto the phone for a lot longer if you are not the type to upgrade every year (like me).[/quote]

A Samsung exec was quoted saying it was "simply not fair" how much faster iPhones are these days than any Android phones. That says it all.

When you look at both single core and multi core performance, they iPhone (8 and X) are roughly 4 times faster than the fastest Android phone. They were able to encode a 4k video in 40 seconds on iPhone while it took 2:30 min on the fastest Samsung.

This is a running website. That 87 year old grandma who finishes the NYC Marathon last in 8:40 min is roughly 4 times slower than Meb.

I'll leave it to you, but I'd argue: "it's not even the same sport"