Kate Grace moves to Portland...

Devil Dog wrote:

funny t wrote:

I really thought she was better than that.

Better than joining one of the all time great coaches/programs? No one is turning down an offer to join that group. No one. If its available, they're going.

If NOP is dirty, their athletes know they are protected. If they're clean, Alberto knows how to make medalists. No one is turning that down, and you wouldn't either.

I'd much rather be at BTC, but beggars can't be choosers now can they?

THat's not true. Athletes try to join Schumacher's group. Nike pressures to get athletes to join NOP.

With Engels, they didn't let him negotiate with Bowerman. They negotiated with his agent not to present offers from other companies.

With Grace, they threatened a reduction if she didn't join NOP.

With Jenkins, they wouldn't let him negotaite with Bowerman. NOP or no Nike contract.

If it was the place to be, then Nike and Cap wouldn't need to play games.

This is all speculation. So funny that everyone is getting all worked up when no one really knows for sure what is going to happen.

And I find it 100% difficult to believe that the person who is posting about contract deals for specifically named athletes has any knowledge about the contract negotiations that went on for those athletes

Until reputable proof is provided it should be considered fake news and trolling

I agree, Drew seems like a good coach. Good person? Not so much. His inappropriate relationship with his collegiate athletes is evidence of that.

As it turns out, he got really lucky when one of those was Conley, because that allowed him to build a training group of other female runners around her. Now we see some of them leaving as they realize there are other good coaches out there to train with, and without the creeper personality.

after effect wrote:

THat's not true. Athletes try to join Schumacher's group. Nike pressures to get athletes to join NOP.

With Engels, they didn't let him negotiate with Bowerman. They negotiated with his agent not to present offers from other companies.

With Grace, they threatened a reduction if she didn't join NOP.

With Jenkins, they wouldn't let him negotaite with Bowerman. NOP or no Nike contract.

If it was the place to be, then Nike and Cap wouldn't need to play games.

You and I both know everything in your post is completely fabricated, nonsense, fairy tales.

For example, Kate Grace...I'm a fan of her's but what does she bring to the table that Nike would essentially force her to train with NOP? What do they need so badly from her? She's almost 29 and has made one final. They're not so desperate for her that they'd threaten her with reductions for not taking a place on one of the modest decorated groups in the world right now.

Devil Dog wrote:

For example, Kate Grace...I'm a fan of her's but what does she bring to the table that Nike would essentially force her to train with NOP? What do they need so badly from her? She's almost 29 and has made one final. They're not so desperate for her that they'd threaten her with reductions for not taking a place on one of the modest decorated groups in the world right now.

She's tall and has amazing hair - get her some training and some wins, and she's a legitimate posterchild for Nike.

Better to wait then speak up wrote:

And I find it 100% difficult to believe that the person who is posting about contract deals for specifically named athletes has any knowledge about the contract negotiations that went on for those athletes

Until reputable proof is provided it should be considered fake news and trolling

It's fair to be skeptical, but anonymous posters reveal all kinds of stuff on this board that turns out to be true.

BroJos can't write! wrote:

"Did Nike force Kate Grace to join the Oregon Project or have her contract reduced?"

Really?

Kate butchered the English language pretty thoroughly in Instagram message about leaving NorCal. Maybe this bad writing really is an Ivy League thing.

8/10

Once an Expert wrote:

Kate butchered the English language pretty thoroughly in Instagram message about leaving NorCal. Maybe this bad writing really is an Ivy League thing.

She was an English major at Yale if I remember right. Yeah.

Running Nomad

Your post does not add up for many reasons.I'm too busy to debunk all of them, Drew.But an easy one is Murphy was already aligned with the NOP back in May. Way way before any reduction was possible. Nike is probably forcing her to choose NOP, but it is after Kate decided to leave you.

I wish people would stop posting on these boards without knowing all of the information instead of trying to present biased speculations as facts.

Murphy was already looking at NOP well before USA's and well before he signed with them. He took a tour of the facilities and talked with NOP earlier in the year.

To whoever later posted and said Jenkins was cut off in trying to negotiate with BTC. He was interested in joining NOP from the get go. He was never forced to join the NOP. They showed interest in him and he showed interest back.

Go back and look at Craig Engels interview from USA's. He was absolutely elated when his agent told him he had the chance to join NOP. He even said he was trying to get a pro group with Vanhoy, but ditched it immediately after the NOP offer came along.

Everyone is discrediting how many athletes are legitimately interested in wanting to train in one of the top groups with the top facilities in the world.

Karl Hungus wrote:

She was an English major at Yale if I remember right. Yeah.

Environmental studies. But still...

It is hard to believe these guys graduated from the same school as Sinclair Lewis, Stephen Vincent Benet, Thornton Wilder, William Buckley or Bob Woodward. Even when they were writing nonsense, those guys wrote clear and coherent nonsense.

These athletes are in a rough position, they only have a very short window of opportunity to make some decent money (hopefully enough to live on), before they have to go out and get a real job.

Only the cream of the crop make enough money for a long term financial stability, so the rest are just pawns in the system.

Injuries can derail their entire career plan as well.

Kate Grace has a lot of talent ahead of her in both of her events, the 800m and 1500m. Not sure she can get down in that 1:55 or even 3:57-3:58 range at this point.

The 800m is loaded with talent and question marks as it now seems like Wilson is capable of running under 1:55 as well as the other usual suspects in this event known to everyone.

The move is Nike trying to repair the OP image. Unlike the united airlines abuse incident we won't forget that Salazar and all is minions are cheaters. Bringing in athletes with no morals or personality isn't going to help. They need athletes with a brand and following who know their character to help the image and show there may be some effort to change their evil ways. It's just too suspect that all the OP originals are struggling all of a sudden or in hiding.

Has Nike announced that they are paying Kara the Nike silver medal bonus? After all, she was a Nike athlete then. No, right? Why should she give them free publicity.

This is what's happenning wrote:

The move is Nike trying to repair the OP image. Unlike the united airlines abuse incident we won't forget that Salazar and all is minions are cheaters. Bringing in athletes with no morals or personality isn't going to help. They need athletes with a brand and following who know their character to help the image and show there may be some effort to change their evil ways. It's just too suspect that all the OP originals are struggling all of a sudden or in hiding.

Keep making stuff up like you know what you're talking about. LOL

Missuh Chow wrote:

Dang. With felnagle and grace now gone, where does that leave Leah O'Connor? Bet she wishes she stayed in Michigan.

Who knows where Leah will end up next but Rachele Schulist is staying in Michigan. She announced she joined Hanson Brooks.

Karl Hungus wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

For example, Kate Grace...I'm a fan of her's but what does she bring to the table that Nike would essentially force her to train with NOP? What do they need so badly from her? She's almost 29 and has made one final. They're not so desperate for her that they'd threaten her with reductions for not taking a place on one of the modest decorated groups in the world right now.

She's tall and has amazing hair - get her some training and some wins, and she's a legitimate posterchild for Nike.

She looked like a movie star with those sunglasses at the Nationals start line. She's poster material for every niketown. I'd love to see it.