Jeff Wigand wrote:
Coevett wrote:Can you supply some evidence that North Korea executes gay people? According to the top Google results including Wikipedia, homosexuality is not even illegal there.
It was reported that the North Korean government had executed a lesbian couple for having been "badly influenced by capitalism from Japan and brought corruption of public morals." In fairness, it's tough to figure out if their murders were more politically or socially motivated. But it doesn't take much to end up on the firing squad.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/09/182_95702.htmlCoevett wrote:
Oh yea, Turkey, where transgenders are regularly being beaten, raped, and dismembered
Violence against the LGBT community is horrifying and not confined to any particular place. In one year, Grupo Gay da Bahia reported that 159 members of the LGBT community were murdered because of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity. Islam to blame?
Coevett wrote:
and the police shoot at anyone attempting to hold a Gay Pride march.
It's terrible what happened with the suppression of the Pride Parade. Like what happened when civil rights leaders were violently suppressed in the US. The arc of the universe bends towards justice. But consensual gay sex is legal in Turkey and has been since 1858. How do you feel about the fact that Alan Turing would have been safer in Turkey than in Manchester?
Coevett wrote:
And no I'm not confused if 5 out of 50 Muslim countries ostensibly allow homosexuality instead of 3.
You asked and I answered. How are reconciling your firm belief that anywhere with a Muslim-majority population must be so anti-LGBT as to ban it while at the same time learning that there are multiple Muslim-majority countries that have no bans and have even formally decriminalized gay relations, the Ottoman Empire beating the UK by over a century?
Coevett wrote:
Take your head out of your ass.
Read a book. What do you know about the Middle East before the founding of Islam? Do you think it was an oasis of social liberalism?
Coevett wrote:
I don't know how radical Khan's parents where. And why does one person out of 5 million Muslims in the UK mean anything.
I would ask you why millions of Muslims in the UK are being judged on the actions of a few brainwashed souls. What was insidious about the Irish that led to the Troubles and the deaths of over 3000 people?
Catholics in Croatia murdered over 300,000 people in the first half of the last century to make a purely Catholic state. Should we blame all Catholics for the atrocities that a minority committed in the name of their religion?
Coevett wrote:
I know that Khan mixed with radical Islamists in his past and defended 9/11 terrorists as a lawyer.
He didn't. It blows my mind that you think a 9/11 defense attorney was elected mayor of London. You never stopped to ask, "why was a British attorney defending a French citizen accused of terrorism in the United States?" or "why wasn't this all over the news?"
Khan worked on the release of three British citizens in Egypt who were tortured into giving coerced confessions. Amnesty International implored for their release, which happened, years later.
http://www.snopes.com/sadiq-khan-video/During the mayoral campaign, David Cameron and the Conservatives attempted to link Khan to hardline cleric Suliman Gani, who is on record as being against gay relations and women's rights. The Conservatives said that Khan had shared multiple public platforms with Gani and appeared with him at local functions. Khan pointed out that Conservative candidate Zac Goldsmith actually invited Gani to a campaign event at the Tooting Islamic Center. Khan first engaged with Gani in 2004 as a local MP and the two had a huge falling out over the question of same-sex marriage. Sadiq worked to have Gani removed from the local mosque due to his extreme views.
Coevett wrote:
He also never mentioned Islam when speaking about the Manchester and London attacks
And? The fact that Eric Rudolph murdered people and committed acts of terrorism in the name of a Christian holy war in no way impinges on Christianity, even though we can cite passages from its ancient holy book to justify violence against outsiders.
Coevett wrote:
and has told Londoners that terrorism is part of living in a big city.
Do you want a police state? Terrorism isn't an issue in Pyongyang because there is no freedom. We want a free society. There are some risks with that and we impose reasonable restrictions on our freedom to achieve a measure of safety. Show me a city where terrorism is impossible. It doesn't exist.
Coevett wrote:
The figure of 11% Muslims in London comes from the 2011 census. The Muslim population in the UK is doubling every decade and even more since 2011 with the European refugee crisis. At the same time, white flight is occuring in London. It also depends how you define London. If you include the leafy Surrey suburbs then you might get a low figure like that, but for London proper, closer to 30% today would be more accurate.
The data you have is six years old so when we have more current data we can come back to this and not rely on your assumptions.
Coevett wrote:
Also, Islamic culture is influencing the non-Muslim culture of London, especially with a Islamic mayor. London is now the only city in Europe that bans public pictures of bikini clad women as 'offensive'.
Way to twist the facts (or believe the ones twisting the facts).
Adverts promoting negative body images will be banned across the Transport for London (TfL) network from next month.
As part of his mayoral election manifesto Sadiq Khan pledged to ban adverts promoting "unhealthy or unrealistic" body images.
The advertising watchdog received 378 complaints in 2015 about a weight-loss advert that asked customers if they were "beach body ready?"
The Protein World "beach body ready" promotional posters were defaced in Tube stations and a petition was started calling for the adverts to be banned, however the Advertising Standards Agency (ASA) watchdog later ruled the advert depicting a bikini-clad female model was neither offensive nor irresponsible.
The steering group will advise TfL's advertising partners and stakeholders of the mayor's new policy and will ensure adverts continue to adhere to the regulations set out by the ASA.
Mr Khan said: "As the father of two teenage girls, I am extremely concerned about this kind of advertising which can demean people, particularly women, and make them ashamed of their bodies. It is high time it came to an end."
Graeme Craig, TfL commercial development director, said: "Advertising on our network is unlike TV, online and print media.
"Our customers cannot simply switch off or turn a page if an advertisement offends or upsets them and we have a duty to ensure the copy we carry reflects that unique environment."
Previously, the eating disorders charity Beat said while it recognised advertising and media could not cause eating disorders it was aware of how toxic images could be to an individual.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-36516378