Mcgregor vs. Mayweather: Who would win in a no holes barred match?

Eaton-Farah Deca wrote:

thejeff wrote:

Who would win a decathlon between Eaton and Farah?

Eaton. Farah; SP = 2 feet; Discus = 10 feet; PV = 3 feet; HJ = 3 feet; Hurdles = 20 secs--Mo no can jump.

I hope you see the analogy to the OP?

I am going to doubt the MMA guy every time, if the opponent is a world class fighter and not some glorified stiff.

MMA does not draw elite athletes. That's been my big picture overview from the outset and nothing has surfaced to change my mind. Somehow the popularity soared without people bothering to evaluate what it really is. If you took minor league athletes from another sport and severely changed the rules they could fool you into believing it was top tier.

Rousey was the biggest joke of all time. So obviously limited. If you can't laugh at a sport that tries to hoist her as special, I legitimately feel sorry for you.

Awsi Dooger wrote:

I am going to doubt the MMA guy every time, if the opponent is a world class fighter and not some glorified stiff.

MMA does not draw elite athletes. That's been my big picture overview from the outset and nothing has surfaced to change my mind. Somehow the popularity soared without people bothering to evaluate what it really is. If you took minor league athletes from another sport and severely changed the rules they could fool you into believing it was top tier.

Rousey was the biggest joke of all time. So obviously limited. If you can't laugh at a sport that tries to hoist her as special, I legitimately feel sorry for you.

Are you seriously taking the example of Rousey and making the blanket statement "MMA does not draw elite athletes"?

I didn't say Floyd could have knocked him out in 2 rounds. I said a hungry professional fighter with knockout power would have. Floyd is a shadow of himself. He has been retired for 2 years.

Also Coevett you are giving way too much credit to McGregor for his performance. Especially winning the early rounds. Nobody cares who won the first 3 laps of a 5k. Mayweather didn't care if he got hit by McGregor in the early rounds. He knew he couldn't hurt him. If that fight last night showed anything it was the gap of skill and talent it takes to be a professional boxer and a MMA fighter.

Lots of truth to this. A grand master chess player will not necessarily defeat a club player in a very small number of moves, but the defeat will inevitably be incredibly decisive. The grand master will skip the possible quick victory in order to be sure to set up an impenetrable defense and unstoppable attack. The endgame last night was as decisive as it could have been without involving an ambulance.

thejeff : That was beautiful.

Awsi Dooger wrote:

I am going to doubt the MMA guy every time, if the opponent is a world class fighter and not some glorified stiff.

MMA does not draw elite athletes. That's been my big picture overview from the outset and nothing has surfaced to change my mind. Somehow the popularity soared without people bothering to evaluate what it really is. If you took minor league athletes from another sport and severely changed the rules they could fool you into believing it was top tier.

Rousey was the biggest joke of all time. So obviously limited. If you can't laugh at a sport that tries to hoist her as special, I legitimately feel sorry for you.

Rousey has an olympic medal in Judo. I think you will find that she does fine in just about any fight against a 151lb guy. You should expect her to be world class in anything else. But she is good enough in the rest to survive. Granted womans field depths are not great.

You are basically complaining that MMA is not boxing. Those elite boxing athletes cease to be elite once you remove the rules that enable their techniques to work. Elite athletes in either sport are unlikely to be elite in the other. Sure both are combat sports but both select different athletes based on the needs. Mo and Bolt are both track athletes. Doesn't mean that either is more elite because Bolt destroys Mo over 100m and Mo destroyes bolt over 5k.

That being said, I am not sure either sport has very deep fields. Not a ton of people sign up to get their brains bashed in. I would expect boxing to be deeper because of the money at the top but I think the gap has closed a lot (you have to look at more than the top 10 fighters) over the past 10 years. It might be enough that younger talent picks whatever they like better.

Fred Gwynne wrote:

thejeff : That was beautiful.

As beautiful as Lily?

One thing I'm curious about. I noticed Conor becoming increasingly gassed, and it was especially noticeable from the 6th round on. He could barely stand up in the 10th round when Mayweather pounced on him.

What kind of fatigue was that? Muscular or cardio? Could Conor just run some extra miles to improve his endurance? Or was it that Conor's initial pace was too much for anyone to maintain? If Floyd had set himself up at Conor's initial pace, would he have been gassed out by the 10th round, as well?

I'm trying to get a feel for why everyone predicted that Conor would gas out -- and then he did. If everyone knew that, then why didn't Conor conserve his energy or design his training to improve his endurance? Was it because he had no choice?

I'm guessing that he knew that he could not beat Floyd in a technical, points-based contest, so if he had any chance if winning, it was by swinging for the fences in the first few rounds and getting a knockout. If he couldn't achieve a knockout then, then he didn't have a prayer anyway. Maybe that was his gamble.

Do this: Hold your hands up by your face for 30 minutes. Don't wear gloves, don't punch... just hold them near your face for 30 minutes. Report back and tell us how it feels.

You'd think the white dreams would die after Mayweather beat him easily.

Give it to Mayweather for letting the fight go into the tenth round.

Now, McGregor should start at the beginning in boxing and work his way up and see if he can be a legitimate contender for a boxing title.

Just remember to take them down and rest for a minute every 3 minutes.

Car54 wrote:

Fred Gwynne wrote:

thejeff : That was beautiful.

As beautiful as Lily?

As beautiful as a young Yvonne DeCarlo.

My last point on this thread is the MMA guys are acting like boxing is some kind of sport for wimps. These guys are tough and fearless. Most boxers if they went in a ring using MMA tactics would kill these guys. The boxers I knew had been in numerous street fights growing up. Do you think the great Bernard Hopkins ( defensive fighter) didn't know how to fight using his legs or any other method to win when he was incarcerated.

Uhriah wrote:

thejeff wrote:

Do this: Hold your hands up by your face for 30 minutes. Don't wear gloves, don't punch... just hold them near your face for 30 minutes. Report back and tell us how it feels.

Just remember to take them down and rest for a minute every 3 minutes.

Ok fine. But, add 8oz gloves and preform LIGHT jabs for the 3 minutes on.

Yup. That's exactly how I saw it. Although I don't think FM truly had an option of a quick victory against CM. Not a Mike Tyson type of fighter. But the end result was never in doubt. As you said.

John utah wrote:

That doesn't sound right, two men, holes, grappling, etc. not good

But you do that all the time with your booty buddies in the WH, I'd thought you'd be use to it by now.

I would not pay to see that wrote:

man I hope you meant holds and not holes

hhahahahahaha

Gravy wrote:

I don't think it would even be close...

No it wouldn't be close. Mayweather and his posse are far more proficient in firearms than McGregor and his.

Besides all this speculation is silly. Conor just told us what he would do and then did not do it. Presumably Conor would win in MMA but even that appears in doubt now.

Fascinating that the 40 year old was the better conditioned athlete, not surprisingly the smarter tactician, and a clear cut winner.

Also interesting that neither fighter ever had a cut.

Awsi Dooger wrote:

I am going to doubt the MMA guy every time, if the opponent is a world class fighter and not some glorified stiff.

MMA does not draw elite athletes. That's been my big picture overview from the outset and nothing has surfaced to change my mind. Somehow the popularity soared without people bothering to evaluate what it really is. If you took minor league athletes from another sport and severely changed the rules they could fool you into believing it was top tier.

Rousey was the biggest joke of all time. So obviously limited. If you can't laugh at a sport that tries to hoist her as special, I legitimately feel sorry for you.

Well you're a fool. MMA, despite still being a growing sport in its infancy, draws from Olympians and world champions. You're in a state of denial. Some guy who had never stepped into a boxing ring as a professional went 10 rounds with Floyd Mayweather who when he retired just 2 years ago was hailed as many experts as the best in boxing's 150 year history.

Boxing is close to death. It doesn't draw the elite athletes anymore and that's why 40 year old stiff Ukranians can still compete for the world title (and only lose in a 50/50 battle).

Britain is one of the last places were young fighters choose boxing over MMA - that's why we suddenly have had loads of success over the last few years - but even that's changing.

Mayweather will be the last real boxing superstar (unless McGregor switches to boxing full time).