So is Mary Cain gone for good?

No need for Salazar or NOP. She was faster before/without.

Seems like she might have moved on with her life.

She's still young. Only 21. Even if she gave up running completely for a couple of years, can't write her off until at least another 5 or 6 years.

Vland wrote:

Is she gone from running for good? I don't think she'll ever be back to what she was with Salazar's meds.

Mary Cain = Galen Rupp

It would honestly be inspiring as hell if she came back with a vengeance in 2019 or something and fulfilled all her early promise. Of course, "drugs" would understandably be on everyone's mind. But still.

I would say she's moved on as competitive runner. A falling star....bright at the beginning then disappearing into darkness.

Good for her....if it's not fun why do it?

You don't know what you're talking about.

Qqm wrote:

No need for Salazar or NOP. She was faster before/without.

She starting doing Salazar's training when she was 15 and was being coached by him until last year at age 20...

As of right now, her earliest current PR is from one year after she started with Salazar and her latest current PR is from 2 years after she started with Salazar.

So no, she wasn't faster before/without.

Qqm wrote:

No need for Salazar or NOP. She was faster before/without.

She was a promising runner, but really took off with Salazar meds. Once the ProPublica story came out, I think her and her parents realized that what Salazar was doing was not ok. They've always seemed like they were decent people.

Who ist Mary Cain?

Qqm wrote:

No need for Salazar or NOP. She was faster before/without.

Not actually true.

She joined the NOP in October of 2012. She ran both her 800 and 1500 pb in the span of about 2 weeks in May/June of 2013.

Vland wrote:

Qqm wrote:

No need for Salazar or NOP. She was faster before/without.

She was a promising runner, but really took off with Salazar meds. Once the ProPublica story came out, I think her and her parents realized that what Salazar was doing was not ok. They've always seemed like they were decent people.

Know her parents well, do you? You must, in order to pass such judgement on Mary's relationship with Salazar and her parents' reaction to it. You surely wouldn't make the whole thing up.

Anyway, Mary Cain has more than likely moved on. Oh well. Would that I had been half as good for half as long.

Qwertu wrote:

Vland wrote:

She was a promising runner, but really took off with Salazar meds. Once the ProPublica story came out, I think her and her parents realized that what Salazar was doing was not ok. They've always seemed like they were decent people.

Know her parents well, do you? You must, in order to pass such judgement on Mary's relationship with Salazar and her parents' reaction to it. You surely wouldn't make the whole thing up.

Anyway, Mary Cain has more than likely moved on. Oh well. Would that I had been half as good for half as long.

It was just an amazing coincidence that she got out of Portland as soon as it was clear to everyone that Salazar was a dope coach.

If I had to bet, I'd say we've seen the best from Cain. Oh well, I'm sure she will find success elsewhere.

Sad but true. This is nothing new of course, many young woman once they go through puberty can no longer run the times they did before. Their power to weight ratio drops off significantly. The only difference here is that she was on the world stage. We wish her the best in her future endeavors.

Any Fordham students on the board willing to seek her out and ask?

broken arrow wrote:

Sad but true. This is nothing new of course, many young woman once they go through puberty can no longer run the times they did before. Their power to weight ratio drops off significantly. The only difference here is that she was on the world stage. We wish her the best in her future endeavors.

At least she got to be a letsrun legend Ajee Wilson has done 3* what she does, and she still doesn't get much love here.

rojo wrote:

Qqm wrote:

No need for Salazar or NOP. She was faster before/without.

Not actually true.

She joined the NOP in October of 2012. She ran both her 800 and 1500 pb in the span of about 2 weeks in May/June of 2013.

If that is true, then thanks for the correction. What I generally meant was that she was doing just fine before/without Salazar. What is the difference between her times in october 2012 and in May/June of 2013?

Qqm wrote:

rojo wrote:

Not actually true.

She joined the NOP in October of 2012. She ran both her 800 and 1500 pb in the span of about 2 weeks in May/June of 2013.

If that is true, then thanks for the correction. What I generally meant was that she was doing just fine before/without Salazar. What is the difference between her times in october 2012 and in May/June of 2013?

Whatever percent the doping regime gives short term.