voluntarily forced out wrote:
Never give up, never surrender wrote:I thought he voluntarily withdrew from the 200 heats because he was sick.
I get why people want to see him run, but this sets a bad precedent.
You have a strange definition of "voluntarily."
I believe that he withdrew from the 200s.
He was not allowed to run the 400.
Let's say Makwala benefits in the 200 since he didn't have to run the 400 final and wins gold in the 200. Is that a better outcome for him assuming he wouldn't win 200 gold if he had run the 400? Would he rather win one gold or two silvers?
and this is why you are an idiot.
if you had been worth a sh*t you would have been up to date on this.
he was warming up, the IAAF made up a lie that he was sick, bared him from entering the stadium for the 200, and kept he out of the 400. his team said he wasnt sick but the IAAF said their doc said he was sick.
go back and read some posts noob
Never give up, never surrender wrote:
voluntarily forced out wrote:You have a strange definition of "voluntarily."
I believe that he withdrew from the 200s.
He was not allowed to run the 400.
You are entitled to believe what you wish.
liberal snowflake wrote:
and this is why you are an idiot.
if you had been worth a sh*t you would have been up to date on this.
he was warming up, the IAAF made up a lie that he was sick, bared him from entering the stadium for the 200, and kept he out of the 400. his team said he wasnt sick but the IAAF said their doc said he was sick.
go back and read some posts noob
You mad, bro?
Anything could happen wrote:
false start
throws up
finishes in 21s
runs outside lane
poops himself coming out of the blocks
More obvious doper than Mo F wrote:
Just a PR stunt to save face from the fraud IAAF. They got what they wanted in having him banned from the 400m finals. Total joke.
I agree that it's a PR stunt to save face, they were promoting him pretty hard in the TT, the semi, and post-meet.
But I find it very hard to believe they were protecting WvN in the 400. If anyone needed protecting it was Bolt--WvN ran worse than expected, but he has been head and shoulders above the rest of the world since Beijing, and even in the head-to-head with Makwala a few weeks ago he didn't look supremely disturbed.
And besides, the public wants close races, don't they? The 400 was pretty low on the excitement scale except for the Qatari dude coming out of nowhere to get bronze. If anything it hurt their ratings (unlikely), and definitely made the race less memorable--fewer YouTube replays, less internet dialog, less hype to use later in the season and coming years, etc. I mean, I guess IAAF created some sense of rivalry or hype by barring him from competition, but not exactly what fans look for.
liberal snowflake wrote:
and this is why you are an idiot.
if you had been worth a sh*t you would have been up to date on this.
he was warming up, the IAAF made up a lie that he was sick, bared him from entering the stadium for the 200, and kept he out of the 400. his team said he wasnt sick but the IAAF said their doc said he was sick.
go back and read some posts noob
Genius, he was in the stadium for the 200 heat and voluntarily withdrew, and was prevented from entering the stadium for the 400m final the next day
In order for Makwala to retain his right to start in the 400 after throwing up in the callroom prior to the 200 prelim and withdrawing, would he require a medical certificate from the organising commitee. This requires seeing the medical staff, and provide reasonable grounds to withdraw. He claimed, according the medical staff, he had vomited the preceeding 18 hours. Unfortunately for Makwala, he got the same 48 hour quarantine as all others that received the same diagnosis (in order to protect the other athletes).
Perhaps he feared not being exempt, and exxagerated his symptoms?
Rule 142.4
As the story was progressing, I read it as he was prevented from running the 200 after he went to a facility medic after vomiting.
The quarantine was placed on him before his 200 prelim, I believe.
The story of him being blocked from the 400 final overshadowed the development in the 200 prelim.
I don't know the real story.
He felt sick before the 200 prelim.
Did he drop out voluntarily or was he immediately quarantined?
I have no problem with him getting the scond chance in the 200 either way.
He proved his health was good.
Good for him.
Hope his best fortune in final.
No doubt, that he appeared sick in the callroom, and given the developing story of norovirus outbreak on the hotel where Makwala was staying, do I believe the medics made the right call, if indeed Makwala showed the exact same clinical symptoms as other victims of the norovirus.
Normally, tests are not performed, as the results normally take longer time to aquire, than for the patient to get well, and the diagnosis is most often based on testimony of the patient, and the situation (other patients with same symptoms).
Given his ability to perform, is it unlikely (but not impossible), that he had the norovirus, but it's 20/20 hindsight to claim IAAF medical staff made the wrong call. If indeed he had the virus, would he be a liability to the athletes in warmup area and callrooms.
Any links to whether he was forced out of the 200, or withdrew voluntarily due to vomiting?
The two documents shows, that teams were made aware on the 6th, that sick athletes with symptoms of vomiting and diarhea, would be quarantined to prevent spreading. Makwala was withdrawn by the medical officer due to vomiting in the callroom.
If anything, Makwala disobeyed instructions known to his team, and possibly himself, and put other athletes at risk. I doubt his ability to judge whether he would be a risk to the other athletes or not.
During the Ebola scare we had medical personnel wandering the streets, ignoring legal instructions for quarantine, and peopel squealing that the government were in everyone's face.
Here we have a guy who turns up to race and they stop him, where there were likely 20 more sickies in the stands, or in the warm up area.
You get sick, you get better. As for throwing up, my Brohter told me that as he and the rest of the competitors in his event were waiting in the tunnel to be announced for their final in Mexico in 1968, there were many athletes leaning over the bins provided, throwing up. Nothing but nerves.
So what happens if you suffer from nerves on the biggest competitive day of your life? The IAAF may throw you in a plastic sack and drag you out of the stadium by officials in Hazmat suits.
Hey, good for him. He had to run 2 races on a day where the others had one, and then got stuck in lane 1, with the tight turn and puddles.
Viola, giving the fact, that there was an ongoing norovirus outbreak in progress, do you feel the quarantine was incorrect? The quarantine was announced prior to Makwala's alleged sickness.
The purpose of the medical team is to protect all athletes (from sick athletes), as well as treat any sick athletes. No way the IAAF could allow Makwala to run, in spite of quarantine. Once the 48 hour quarantine had passed, without any further symptoms, was it fair to assume he was no longer a hazard.
I don't mind him getting the second chance, but I don't see how the organisers could have acted differently in regardss to his withdrawal from the 200, and his quarantine that overshadowed the 400.
Whatever1919 wrote:
Viola, giving the fact, that there was an ongoing norovirus outbreak in progress, do you feel the quarantine was incorrect? The quarantine was announced prior to Makwala's alleged sickness.
The purpose of the medical team is to protect all athletes (from sick athletes), as well as treat any sick athletes. No way the IAAF could allow Makwala to run, in spite of quarantine. Once the 48 hour quarantine had passed, without any further symptoms, was it fair to assume he was no longer a hazard.
I don't mind him getting the second chance, but I don't see how the organisers could have acted differently in regardss to his withdrawal from the 200, and his quarantine that overshadowed the 400.
the organizers screwed up big time.
the guy obviously was not that sick. the proof is obvious, running near the top of his game.
they could have diagnosed him properly.
they could have run a test.
the man's livelyhood was on the line.
no, the IAAF have to be taken to task.
big time.
no more observation and hearsay off the cuff diagnosis and bans.
Diagnosed properly?
Novovirus is diagnosed via interview and history, and only if there are issues with your immunesystem, are tests performed (simply because people get well before getting the answer).
If he wasn't sick, why did he vomit in the callroom? Why did he claim to the doctor, he had vomited 18 hours prior to the 200m prelims (something he now denies ever having said)? If he was lying then, is his exemption given by rule 142.4 invalid (probably not, if he was withdrawn by the medical staff)?
Confirming novovirus through a test takes roughly the same time as the quarantine (which he would still need to be under).
Had he indeed been ill, could he have infected multiple athletes, and what about their ambitions and careers?
Makwala was in no position to know, if he could infect others or not.
Whatever1919 wrote:
Diagnosed properly?
Novovirus is diagnosed via interview and history, and only if there are issues with your immunesystem, are tests performed (simply because people get well before getting the answer).
If he wasn't sick, why did he vomit in the callroom? Why did he claim to the doctor, he had vomited 18 hours prior to the 200m prelims (something he now denies ever having said)? If he was lying then, is his exemption given by rule 142.4 invalid (probably not, if he was withdrawn by the medical staff)?
Confirming novovirus through a test takes roughly the same time as the quarantine (which he would still need to be under).
Had he indeed been ill, could he have infected multiple athletes, and what about their ambitions and careers?
Makwala was in no position to know, if he could infect others or not.
History is fine to a point- no need to prove whether the diagnosis is correct when it clears up fast - its not confirmed, or disproven. The method of diagnosis may in fact be irrelevant. So how many in the call room, how many is his dorm also got sick? Adding that information would have been more effective. So they err on the side of caution. But that doesn't mean the diagnosis was correct or accurate.
Point is, based on his symptoms the day before, was he suspected as being infected with novovirus. This was grounds for his quarantine, and a testimony, that he felt fine when he tried entering the warmup area, does not guarantee he's negative for it, and no longer contagious. There are no tests readily available, that can confirm or deny if he is postive within minutes or a few hours.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. No doubt, IAAF would have taken ever greater flack, if a contagious athlete was allowed to run, had IAAF eased up on the quarantine, and this athlete infected other athletes. The only way to contain a novovirus outbreak, is via quarantine and sound practice (sanitizing). IAAF made the right call. Unfortunate for Makwala, but consistent with the preceeding communication from IAAF, and common medical practice for such outbreaks.