Not a single athlete representing the states qualified for the 800m men's final

Yes all in all somewhat disappointing. From a coaching perspective one would question whether US 800m runner's are doing enough volume to get through heat, semi's and finals. For many countries the results were less than impressive. I still shake my head at the fact that the Aussie 800m record is now almost 50 years old and their best athlete ran 1:49 at London.

US bust wrote:

What's the deal? I understand all 3 in the semis were young but it's still disappointing considering we thought we were seeing a middle distance resurgence for the US

The problem is that the only championship-class US 800m runner is back home injured (Murphy). He would have won this (with Rudisha and Makhloufi out). The time trialer (400m type) struggle in slow 1st lap races, no ability to surge. You need some endurance to get through the rounds.

I almost wonder if we would be better off with Centro and Murphy both in the 1500 and the same 800m guys once they get more experienced

His coach is not training him properly, he can be the greatest. You can tell he looks effortless.

Les wrote:

Sad wrote:

Aman is getting old it seems like but he keeps on qualifying

Old? He's 23, younger than Windle (25). He's been at the top level longer, for sure though.

LOL 23. He might, though, have been among the younger runners in this race.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

US bust wrote:

What's the deal? I understand all 3 in the semis were young but it's still disappointing considering we thought we were seeing a middle distance resurgence for the US

The problem is that the only championship-class US 800m runner is back home injured (Murphy). He would have won this (with Rudisha and Makhloufi out). The time trialer (400m type) struggle in slow 1st lap races, no ability to surge. You need some endurance to get through the rounds.

Rudisha IS "400m type," you idiot.

You are the worst poster on letsrun.

coahc wrote:

Yes all in all somewhat disappointing. From a coaching perspective one would question whether US 800m runner's are doing enough volume to get through heat, semi's and finals. For many countries the results were less than impressive. I still shake my head at the fact that the Aussie 800m record is now almost 50 years old and their best athlete ran 1:49 at London.

- Coach: I'm with you ... Brazier is not a complex problem-set, he's a 19 year-old knucklehead. Deep down inside he wants to be a sprinter...hasn't fallen in love with his event.

* Quits XC his Sr year in HS

* As you pointed out, doesn't train in volume ... training partners are A&M sprinters.

* Wants to do stupid sprint stuff like "shut it down" the last 10 meters thinking that looks cool & conserves his energy.

* We'll probably see him in blocks during Indoors.

I could go on about Brazier ... he needs to get out of College Station & train with Johnny Gray. What a waste -- has the talent to jog a 1:44 & gets punked out of the semis.

LS: He did the Johnny Gray thing - it didn't work out for reasons that you are too stupid to understand. They will figure it out eventually, it's not like you are paying his salary, so what he does is his business - why do you even care? He doesn't know you or owe you anything. Like me he probably thinks you are the typical LR idiot.

He has said before that he just thought the timing was off for Grays training, I could see them connecting again in the future.

The United States had two Olympic finalists last year in Boris Berian and Clayton Murphy. Clayton blew up doubling at USA's and Boris was injured all year, its tough for a country to have finalists when it can't send their best athletes.

silly git wrote:

LS: He did the Johnny Gray thing - it didn't work out for reasons that you are too stupid to understand. They will figure it out eventually, it's not like you are paying his salary, so what he does is his business - why do you even care? He doesn't know you or owe you anything. Like me he probably thinks you are the typical LR idiot.

- It didn't workout because Johnny Gray held him accountable.

- Your right, he's such a knucklehead that I don't pay attention to his sponsors so yes ... I CHOOSE not to do anything about his salary, thus I'm free to comment.

Truth 12 wrote:

He has said before that he just thought the timing was off for Grays training, I could see them connecting again in the future.

- Agree ... that said, what does a 19 year old like Brazier know about timing. I'd imagine most folks are grateful that he goes to bed & gets up at a decent hour like the majority of world class athletes.

coahc wrote:

Yes all in all somewhat disappointing. From a coaching perspective one would question whether US 800m runner's are doing enough volume to get through heat, semi's and finals. For many countries the results were less than impressive. I still shake my head at the fact that the Aussie 800m record is now almost 50 years old and their best athlete ran 1:49 at London.

The Aussies have overall been very disappointing. It's the largest contingent to qualify ever, 60+ I think. However they have not performed. Not sure how much the dual peak has to do with it.

Mens 400 - Solomon, went too hard early, dies, didn't make it out of the heat

womens 1500 - 2/3 were well below their best, Zoe Buckman made the semis and just missed the final, which is performing at about her level

womens 10km - both Aussies disappointing

Mens 10km - Tiernan disappointing

Mens 800 - disappointing

Mens 110H - Hough 5th in heat, close to season best, did ok

womens 400 - the stunning Morgan Mitchell didn't run as good as she looks

womens 400H - Wells disappointing after great summer form

Womens jav - Roberts auto qualifier, Mitchell poor, so 1/2

womens PV - Parnov had to basically = her season's best to make the final, did OK

Mens LJ - both Aussies close to form, Lapierre 11th in the final

Mens shot - Birkenhead disappointing

Mens discus - both Aussies disappointing, esp Ben Harradine

Mens PV - Kurt Marschall made it through

Who is to come? Gregson and Sally Pearson, + the walkers, + Dani Samuels + Gen La Caze. Oh - and a gun 17yo female 200 runner, who won Commonwealth Youths in Bahamas. She's drawn the lane inside Schippers for the heat - welcome to Semniors.

So far - by my count 20 competed

- 0 above expectation/PR

- 7 at about expectation/season's best

- 13 below expectation

As a consolation, the US fans can now root for Canada.

The aussie girl in the marathon had an above expectation performance I believe.

Put Put wrote:

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

[quote]seattle dude wrote:

Terrible tactics from Brazier and Windle. Brazier got boxed in and instead of elbowing out or moving outside with 150m, he just gave up. You could see it in his eyes and his body language.

Windle must learn that sit and kick from far back doesn't work for him when there are other world class dudes ahead of him.[/quote

You are right! Brazier is no sit and kick runner. He should have taken it out from the gun. Bett from Kenya looks to be the first choice in the final. The Canadian guy also very good. Amos looks to have it difficult.

COACH J.S

Kszczot looked good, too. It was nice to see Aman back running well.

My guess.

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Amazing to think a 1962 Peter Snell would likely be a favorite against this #london2017 800m field

yep. think he's right

McDonald and Tiernan to run 5k. Still McDonald has the goods to win NCAA XC....time will tell.

Snell in his 1964 form would win this 800 in a canter - and be a big factor in the 1500!

For all that some coaches and physiologists try to tell us training for middle and long distance events has not changed much since the early 1960s. It's all been said and done and written about before!

For Brazier, read/listen to what Lydiard said about the Jamaican 800 runner George Kerr who raced Snell in championships in 1962 and 1964. Kerr was much faster over 200 & 400 than Snell, potentially a better 800 runner - but lost to Snell on both occasions.