Molly Huddle on the Ethiopians: "I feel like they get away with a lot"

kikKomen Soi sauce wrote:

Ayana is the most obvious doper in track and field at the moment.

+1

lolololol @ you wrote:

Here we go... wrote:

Poor Molly.. she could have only been thrashed by half a minute if Ayana wasn't running. Here's an idea.. GET FASTER.

Sick of these American women bitching about why they are always getting trounced.

you're single and lonely

or you're just unsatisfied in every way imaginable

your life sucks

Bingo.

It's jamin again.

Atleast for me, it is annoying to hear our (US) distance runners pointing the finger at other countries as if there aren't any doping issues in the USA, when we have plenty of athletes who have been busted, or gotten of with amusing excuses etc.. Yes lack of OOC testing is a concern, but don't act like "they dope and we don't" when that isn't true.

rojo wrote:

Here we go... wrote:

Poor Molly.. she could have only been thrashed by half a minute if Ayana wasn't running. Here's an idea.. GET FASTER.

Sick of these American women bitching about why they are always getting trounced.

I new some would critcize her for answering his question honestly. It amazes me. The board is full of people calling everyone a doper. The first time an athlete says something remotely honest about doping people freak out - particularly if it's a woman.

I told Jonathan Gault that her winning by so much after not racing doesn't surprise me. In hindsight, the fact that she won by 45 seconds doesn't shock me either. Once they let her get ahead, it's over. She's run 29:20. She should be able to beat Infeld by about a minute.

Huddle is a well educated daughter of a mediocre surgeon.

(She is a twin btw)

She has every right, and is correct at politely calling out the outside the lines drug cheats around her.

Sledge_hammer wrote:

She's on the sauce Komen once had.

The main reason why I believe many stars are clean is because I have a great friend with inside info and he SWEARS komen was clean. He's an agent with connections to Komen.

He says Komen was from a rural village, didn't even understand what he was doing, made so much money he was gone quickly.

Every now and then, I think "Maybe my friend is naive and they honchos in the company viewed him as the shill" but not that often.

Really wrote:

So, we are to continue the racist belief that Africans are just superior. Why do they all die so young? Really, don't show your ignorance. Just Cheat!

Are you an idiot?

1) Go by a copy of Sports Gene by my friend David Epstein.

2) Take a look at the men's 10k results. The top 15 finishers were all born in Africa. You think that's all due to doping? That's abusrd.

3) If #1 and #2 don't do it for you, take a look at the photos of the top 15 men in the 10k and ask yourself, "Does the average american distance runner look like this? Look at how skinny they are."

rojo wrote:

Really wrote:

So, we are to continue the racist belief that Africans are just superior. Why do they all die so young? Really, don't show your ignorance. Just Cheat!

Are you an idiot?

1) Go by a copy of Sports Gene by my friend David Epstein.

2) Take a look at the men's 10k results. The top 15 finishers were all born in Africa. You think that's all due to doping? That's abusrd.

3) If #1 and #2 don't do it for you, take a look at the photos of the top 15 men in the 10k and ask yourself, "Does the average american distance runner look like this? Look at how skinny they are."

1). Complete rubbish written by someone from the lunatic fringe

2) Yes, Roger, all those little african boys were doped to the gills!

3) you do not have to look like a twig to run a 27 flat 10000. Out of all the American top distance runners, many who have twig like bodies, the second guy under 27 minutes was practicaly a bodybuilder..

rojo wrote:

Are you an idiot?

1) Go by a copy of Sports Gene by my friend David Epstein.

Why? is it not worth reading?

Now I know 10 seconds at this level is a big difference but I guess the reference to solinsky above made me think of his sub 27 run. Didn't he do like 155 for his last 800 - compared to about 157 for mo last night. Interesting to think about how sol might have done if in that race.

And I guess as someone who believes wholeheartedly that mo is on drugs (not just based on times - based on things I've heard) - surely we have to be suspicious about sol

Ene wrote:

You racist as#%### You led her with the question.

Huh? Where did anyone mention race? Just a shot in the dark:

1) you own at least 2 pairs of skinny jeans

2) you've considered being vegan

3) you were a huge Bernie sanders fan

4) you are against hunting but support abortion

5) you owned a Che Guevara tshirt

Ayana is a freak and Huddle is a simpleton.

There has always been tons of room in the women's distance races, just like there's tons of room in the women's distance swimming races. Soft records galore. Even the touted 10,000 record was only touted by morons. All you needed was a Katie Ledecky type who could churn out one lap after another at higher sustained speed than previous conventional wisdom allowed.

And that's all it has ever been...pathetic conventional wisdom and not doping.

American distance running is flooded with mediocre athletes. Look at those three clunkers we sent out in that 10,000. Just one look before the race and you'd assign also-ran status to the entire lot, without knowing a thing about them.

Naturally the mediocrities complain and suspect because they've gotten away with defeating even worse athletes throughout their entire career, and somehow think it's supposed to happen at highest level.

Regardless, I'm very appreciative of all the brainstorming bettors who pushed against Ayana to such extreme that she went from 2-5 (-250) favorite at one point to 11/10 (+110) when I jumped in. That must have been enjoyable for them when Ayana jetted away. Gulp. She's not coming back, is she?

I was already laughing at that point.

As I emphasized here a couple of weeks ago, Ayana was considered such an overwhelming favorite in the Olympic 5000 that all the betting shops pulled the odds on her. They didn't want any Ayana money. The only wagering prop on Ayana was 1/1 or Even money whether she would break the world record again. Somehow that reality faded a year later and we actually had some Dibaba favored over Ayana in many joints prior to the race.

I love people who handicap based on current form. Let's see, that's the focus everyone uses and not many people win. Huh. Could be a disconnect somewhere. When I worked in sportsbooks as supervisor the sportsbook manager always said he wished every bettor could watch every game and every event every day so he had information overload. That's what happened here. The basic fact that Ayana was light years superior was comically undervalued. Well done.

I think Huddle raised a fair point about no testing in Ethiopia but who knows if Ayana is clean or not.That said, I don't really follow your argument here. Maybe you are replying to part of a poor post. You seem to discount far too many people with it. Plus, I think it discounts the work athletes put in and the great development of African-born Americans who excelled lately.For example, you are taking top 15 from last night. That is one race. Sure lots of Africans pursue the sport and are great but that does not mean it's not possible to compete. Here is a quick list:Rupp finished top 5 for a few years in a row. Plus he medaled in the marathon and got second in Boston. Ritzenhein was 6th once and medaled at WC Half and ran 12:56 in a DL 5000 closing on Bekele. Solinsky broke 27 in his debut after being competitive in DL 5000s before getting hurt.Mottram had great years at 5000. Levins ran 27:07 - the Canadian record until Ahmed broke it last night getting sixth. There is Hall in the HM and marathon. Ben True won a DL 5000. Jager is in contention to win the steeple and probably could run a great 5000. Tiernan had a bad night but won NCAA over Cheserek. Cheserek had a much better NCAA career than some guys who were top 15 last night. I haven't read Epstein's book and you don't present an argument. Does it state that the runner mentioned above should not bother?

rojo wrote:

Really wrote:

So, we are to continue the racist belief that Africans are just superior. Why do they all die so young? Really, don't show your ignorance. Just Cheat!

Are you an idiot?

1) Go by a copy of Sports Gene by my friend David Epstein.

2) Take a look at the men's 10k results. The top 15 finishers were all born in Africa. You think that's all due to doping? That's abusrd.

3) If #1 and #2 don't do it for you, take a look at the photos of the top 15 men in the 10k and ask yourself, "Does the average american distance runner look like this? Look at how skinny they are."

I don't follow this either. I hope Komen was clean. Was your friend with him all the time. And if Komen was clean, why couldn't other runners benefit from doping?

rojo wrote:

Sledge_hammer wrote:

She's on the sauce Komen once had.

The main reason why I believe many stars are clean is because I have a great friend with inside info and he SWEARS komen was clean. He's an agent with connections to Komen.

He says Komen was from a rural village, didn't even understand what he was doing, made so much money he was gone quickly.

Every now and then, I think "Maybe my friend is naive and they honchos in the company viewed him as the shill" but not that often.

The real question is, why aren't the epopians being signed up to the US army? Can't wait for these ethiopian scum and the 'US' army athletes to get busted, it's coming.

Here it is: Ethiopians are BETTER doping or not doping.

Hurt ? GOOD !

Skyrunner.at.Altitude. wrote:

Who is the manager of Almaz Ayana?

Jos Hermens

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/historic/32010549.htmlhttp://athleticsillustrated.com/editorial/jos-hermens-i-have-never-been-involved-or-assisted-any-athlete-at-anytime-to-dope/https://sports.yahoo.com/news/agencies-operation-puerto-blood-samples-180732027--spt.htmlhttp://www.athleticsweekly.com/featured/galaxy-of-stars-attend-global-sports-communications-anniversary-41484

No worries.

It is just a coincidence.

This is just smears and slander. Ayana is the cleanest runner of all time. If a day goes by without a visit from testers, Ayana calls them up and visits them instead.

Jos is such an honest & honourable man, he is the bastion of cleanliness. Without his grace and integrity our sport would resemble downtown Mogadishu.

Not sure what has been said but after re-watching I can't help but question how a woman can do that off no races. Now I know many will say she trains hard and blah blah blah but at the elite level pretty much everyone is doing the same stuff. Yes she grew up at altitude and she may be a complete genetic freak but it doesn't look right when 1 individual is so dominant that it looks like that. I can remember back when the Chinese broke all the records and everyone initially was like 'wow' great coaching but we soon found out the truth. I don't know how many times Ayana has been tested but hopefully for the sports sake she is clean.

I think she gets away with a lot...remember when she cheated at the NYC half and pushed the Kenyan at the finish. She claimed she "wasn't even conscious of what my arms were doing."

She runs her mouth a lot for a cheat.

I don't think Ayana knows who Molly Huddle is.