Did Mo Farah Just LOSE the 5000m?

lolllzz wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

He was prepared to run 26:20

LOL. Would a guy who was ready for 26:20 while on 26:49 pace try to slow things down twice, like Farah did?

READY to run 26:20 if he had to. You're logic is terrible. Mo slowed things down because he knows his kick is by far the best in the field. The slower the pace, the more he gets to use that advantage.

By the way, if they make it a hard 5k (sub 13) he will definitely have trouble as Edris kicked hard off a 12:55 race in Lausanne. They know Mo is more vulnerable now.

I thought the 10k was going to be harder for him to win, but after yesterday he will have a lot to recover from. Honestly, Salazar probably has some tricks up his sleeve for really fast recovery, but there's only so much he can do. Barega, Edris, and Kijelcha with proper team work could definitely beat him.

If you're so relaxed, why you bother to reply instead of ignore like a mature person would?

Nothing has changed... Chelimo will stay closer and kick for the win next week.

Me2 wrote:

PrZ wrote:

Lmao maybe you should be talking about this when the heats happen next week. Relax bud it's gonna be ok.

You are projecting. I am very relaxed and I look relaxed when posting...

You're not seeming so relaxed bud, but again it's gonna be ok! Anyways as I said before let's see how easy Mo looks in the heats and we'll go from there. I'm excited to see what Chelimo does, especially if he tries to solo a sub 13 and gap people early. The dude is confident. Edris and Kejelcha are gonna be tough too.

lolllzz wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

He was prepared to run 26:20

LOL. Would a guy who was ready for 26:20 while on 26:49 pace try to slow things down twice, like Farah did?

Absolutely. Mo is comically better than everyone else in a slow race. He is still very likely to win a fast race, but going that near your limit you start to run greater risks.

For most runners, I would absolutely agree with your statement, but given Farah's consistency and ridiculous anaerobic capacity the slower the race goes the more wonderful it gets for him.

LM wrote:

lolllzz wrote:

LOL. Would a guy who was ready for 26:20 while on 26:49 pace try to slow things down twice, like Farah did?

Absolutely. Mo is comically better than everyone else in a slow race. He is still very likely to win a fast race, but going that near your limit you start to run greater risks.

For most runners, I would absolutely agree with your statement, but given Farah's consistency and ridiculous anaerobic capacity the slower the race goes the more wonderful it gets for him.

Exactly. Some ppl just do not understand this - Mo's top end speed is WAY better than any 5K/10K guy out there. The British announcer called it with 600 meters to go, "another gold in the bag" - with 600-800 meters left someone is going to have to have a substantial lead on Mo to have a chance to beat him.

As for the 5K, Chelimo is confident and very fit, but he lost to Mo by 10 seconds at Pre - when Mo was seemingly not in as good of shape as now. Some of the younger guys will have a chance but it is going to take 12:4x to beat him, even coming off the 10K.

I'm not so sure about that. Mo's for sure got the same strength as Edris...and it's obvious that Mo's anaerobic capacity is unrivaled by any of his competitors.

Sure, Edris closed hard in that 5k in Lausanne...but the obvious takeaway is that Mo would have closed faster. The only way Edris could be more favored than Mo as the pace increases is if Edris aerobic fitness is greater than Mo's. Given Mo's 10k last night...I find that extremely unlikely.

Again, unless you assume Edris is faster, tactics don't matter. Surges and a fast pace hurt Mo, but Mo has more in the "tank" than Edris does, so he still wins when it comes down to the bell lap.

The only scenarios I can see Mo not winning are:

1) He is somehow still tired a week later from the 10k. Highly unlikely

2) Legit team tactics that force Mo to work harder than anybody else. This does NOT include random surges or a fast race from the gun. What I mean here would be something like Edris, Barega, and Kjelcha are all up front, and Kjelcha starts running 12:40 pace. Edris and Barega then go two wide, and run maybe 13:45 pace. Let the gap start to grow. Force Mo to close it. If he doesn't, look keep running 13:45 and let Kjelcha open up a winning margin.

3)Edris is actually in better aerobic shape (i.e. could beat Mo at 10M or half marathon)

#1 isn't likely because a week is a long time to recover.

#2 isn't going to happen because no one runner is willing to risk losing, even to a countryman/"teammate" in such a fashion.

#3 I don't see any evidence for this being the case, especially since we know Mo is in fantastic shape right now from his 10k.

Bottom Line: 99.9% chance Mo wins gold.

Honestly, I don't think there is an answer to Mo in the 5k without legitimate team tactics (not "make the pace hard" or "surge", legit tactics that force Mo to do more work than everybody else).

Mo has by far the best anaerobic capacity of all these guys. As distance gets shorter, anaerobic capacity becomes a larger contributing factor...meaning Mo gets relatively better as the race gets shorter. We saw last night with the 10k that Mo has got to be in at least 26:30 or so 10k shape minimum. You don't close in 55 with an explosive last 150 in a surgy 26:49 race without having a decent amount in the tank.

Using the typical (5k+30) x 2 = 10k, this suggests for Farah at worst 12:45 or so shape for 5k, probably better given the shorter nature and greater anaerobic contributions as a percentage basis. Even if we used 26:40, we'd still be looking at a likely 12:45-12:50 capable Farah, but I think that's very pessimistic.

So, in that circumstance you have to be able to burn Farah out and not blow up yourself. Well, if you're contributing to the pacing, you're doing more work than Farah, so you probably need to be in 12:40-12:45 shape to be able to contribute to a 12:45 run. BUT, if you want to have something in the tank to still win at the end, you need better than to be 100% on your limit...which means we are talking about a 12:3x athlete that could maybe take down Farah.

I don't think we have any of those, so I just don't see Farah losing.

Me2 wrote:

PrZ wrote:

Lmao maybe you should be talking about this when the heats happen next week. Relax bud it's gonna be ok.

You are projecting. I am very relaxed and I look relaxed when posting...

+1, But you really should have posted a date/time stamped picture or video of you posting to show your relaxation. But then again Cojonudo...

"If you're so relaxed, why you bother to reply instead of ignore like a mature person would?"... might question your relaxation even more.

Idoits when will you guys gonna learn?

Mo Farah is the best 5 n10k in the world right now , no on will defeat him in the 5k

It's more likely that he would get knocked out of the 5000. He was getting shoved quite a bit in the 10.

actually that is about the only way he get beat

Me2 wrote:

The boys really made Mo earn the gold at 10000m. Was it enough to possibly cost Mo the gold at 5000m?

Remember when Tadese pushed Bekele to run the championship record in the WC's a few year back. They ran faster in tougher conditions. Didn't stop him from doubling back to win the 5K.

Me2 wrote:

PrZ wrote:

Lmao maybe you should be talking about this when the heats happen next week. Relax bud it's gonna be ok.

You are projecting. I am very relaxed and I look relaxed when posting...

Okay, but was this in trainers?

Primo Numero Uno wrote:

Me2 wrote:

The boys really made Mo earn the gold at 10000m. Was it enough to possibly cost Mo the gold at 5000m?

Remember when Tadese pushed Bekele to run the championship record in the WC's a few year back. They ran faster in tougher conditions. Didn't stop him from doubling back to win the 5K.

Yes...you make a good point. Interesting that the future legend and drug cheat himself, Mo Farah, finished 7th in that 5000m at age 26, an age when most distance runners are in their prime.

Me2 wrote:

The boys really made Mo earn the gold at 10000m. Was it enough to possibly cost Mo the gold at 5000m?

Yes indeed.

Go away now, Mo. We're sick of the charade.

http://honestsport.com/2017/08/11/revealed-sir-mo-farahs-training-partner-filmed-buying-epo-kenya/

Me2 wrote:

...Mo Farah, finished 7th in that 5000m at age 26, an age when most distance runners are in their prime.

Do you have proof or at least evidence that most distance runners are in their prime at age 26?

There's something called "common sense".