Mo-Farah GOAT

rojo wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Mo - 10 golds

Bekele - 8 golds

Geb - 6 golds

Kipchoge - 2 golds

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I noticed a mistake in a few of your numbers.

Bekele - 20 golds (counting indoor and world xc). Current 5k and 10k WR holder.

Geb - 10 golds (counting indoors). Set 27 world records.

Mo - 10 golds. 0 World records. Wait, make that 1 world record I forgot about the indoor 2 mile.

Kipchoge - 2 golds. Ran faster marathon ever. Better PR than Farah at 3k, 5k, and 26.2.

Yeah your counting is really off.

It's called lottery funding.

Plus in the UK we focus on sports where we can win medals. We don't bother in events where we're not competitive.

Test1 wrote:

The UK won 1 Gold in 1996.

1 fooking Gold at the Olympics. Rowing

Now, 85% their athletes have asthmatic..wink wink

And they turn a blind eye to doping.

Now the UK is a Gold winning machine.

State Sponsored doping program ? UK is number 1

Not really. The UK is predicted 3 medals, two for Farah. This is going to be a hard champs for the uk. A few more might get a medal but that would be lucky.

LRC logic wrote:

not so quick wrote:

He's got the greatest championship record ever at 5 and 10k but get back to me when he can run the second half of a 10k in sub-13 like Haile and Paul T did.

The last lap today was his 2nd slowest ever.

If you lined them up in their prime, those guys beat Mo.

Haha you have no idea what you're talking about. Paul Tergat never ran sub-13 the second half of a 10k. I like it how you people try to sound like you're the default authority on track and field all time rankings, but then your posts show that you have no clue on the history of the sport.

Geb and Bekele did

The poster was right in spirit. Haile G and Bekele went sub-13 in a 10k. From an old thread.

Oh and the winning time in that race - 26:49 with an effortless last lap of 54 high (leader to leader it was 55.03 but Bekele was in 2nd at the bell) faster than what Farah ran tonight.

There is no way Farah would touch those guys in their prime:

Anyone noticed Mo steping out of the track? Isn't that DSQ?

One word - EPO

Seriously guys...after watching the race, the ONLY reason Mo wins is because Rupp wasn't there.

Gotcha. So we both agree that all things equal Mo is a little bitch compared to Bekele then? (Doping accusations aside, I mean.)

This. Thank you rojo.

rojo wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Mo - 10 golds

Bekele - 8 golds

Geb - 6 golds

Kipchoge - 2 golds

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I noticed a mistake in a few of your numbers.

Bekele - 20 golds (counting indoor and world xc). Current 5k and 10k WR holder.

Geb - 10 golds (counting indoors). Set 27 world records.

Mo - 10 golds. 0 World records. Wait, make that 1 world record I forgot about the indoor 2 mile.

Kipchoge - 2 golds. Ran faster marathon ever. Better PR than Farah at 3k, 5k, and 26.2.

Bekele and his camp have an excuse for every season.

Tough when you're off the good stuff and have to settle for microdosing.

Poor Kenny.

Mo proves himself the GOAT, sum of things that you just have to accept.

Come on rojo, this is low. Even for you.

Why are we talking about XC in a discussion about track? It's just pathetic.

Why are you showing old races of Bekele winning in 26:49 and attempting to compare to today's run? It's so irrelevant and impossible to compare like for like two tactical 10ks. Farah didn't even open up on the last lap, only gave it the beans in the last 120m.

Just a poor show by you all round.

doot doot wrote:

Fallacy wrote:

Listen imbecile, you can act obstinate all you want but I did not say Mo wasn't a doper. He more than likely is, just like his competitors. I am simply stating the simple fact that many people idolize Bekele, while bashing Mo as a doper, while there is more than enough evidence that Bekele is also a doper and that it is no accident that the days of quick times multiple times a year from athletes was before EPO testing was mainstream. The times have slowed, and the doping appears to only be possible while hidden away in Kenyan and Ethiopian villages (for the most part)

Gotcha. So we both agree that all things equal Mo is a little bitch compared to Bekele then? (Doping accusations aside, I mean.)

Bekele is certainly the better runner, the only question is how much each doped. Because if they both dope to their hearts' desire then Belle's accomplishments are obviously far better than Mo's. However, it seems reasonable to think Mo has to use much more discretion of he dopes than 2004 Bekele would. Does that make sense?

Mo is NOT the GOAT.

rojo wrote:

Devil Dog wrote:

Mo - 10 golds

Bekele - 8 golds

Geb - 6 golds

Kipchoge - 2 golds

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I noticed a mistake in a few of your numbers.

Bekele - 20 golds (counting indoor and world xc). Current 5k and 10k WR holder.

Geb - 10 golds (counting indoors). Set 27 world records.

Mo - 10 golds. 0 World records. Wait, make that 1 world record I forgot about the indoor 2 mile.

Kipchoge - 2 golds. Ran faster marathon ever. Better PR than Farah at 3k, 5k, and 26.2.

Still not correct, Gebrselassie has 11 Golds.

Not trying to "fairly" weight in the possibilities that this or this athlete possible might have used banned methods to achieve his results (or that there might have been an heavily favoured EPO-era), there is only one answer to this: Mo Farah definitely is not the GOAT distance runner. This is not a thing of some personal opinion, it's obvious (when someone says for him runner xyz with PBs of 15 and 31 minutes is the GOAT anybody also would disagree).

For sure Mo Farah has an almost unbelievable championship record since 2011 (global 5000m and 10000m), but his PBs in the 3000m, 5000m and 10000m are 7, almost 16 and 29 seconds weaker than Bekele's. And it's not at all important if he could have run Bekele's times (for sure he couldn't) but the important thing is: he hasn't. For what ever reason he has not even tried seriously to run better PBs.

Top-class athletics is not only to achieve good results at the championships, but also to excel "against the clock" (or the measuring tape...).

When not improving significantly his PBs over 3000m, 5000m and 10000m, Farah can't be ranked ahead of Bekele and Gebrselassie. Impossible.

Having said this, for sure it's also true that Farah's performance today was great (at age 34). But I'm really not happy to see something like this, when a runner animates the audience during his competition. Or just going to the front to show his opponents his face. To me several times it looked like a farce. But for sure - as said - a fantastic sporting performance.

Agreed. I vote The Emperor. Haile G. We can go round and round but Mo is not the GOAT.

Spaghettimonster wrote:

doot doot wrote:

Gotcha. So we both agree that all things equal Mo is a little bitch compared to Bekele then? (Doping accusations aside, I mean.)

Bekele is certainly the better runner, the only question is how much each doped. Because if they both dope to their hearts' desire then Belle's accomplishments are obviously far better than Mo's. However, it seems reasonable to think Mo has to use much more discretion of he dopes than 2004 Bekele would. Does that make sense?

Not at all. I find it a lot easier to simplify terms down to black and white. I'm a simple thinker.

Serious question: Did anyone fail drug tests before or during the Bekele reign? If yes, then Bekele couldn't "dope to his heart's desire," could he? There had to be some measure of caution, no?

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I mean, if we're gonna do a hypothetical doper versus doper comparison which kind would you like to see on the track? The athlete destined to be GOAT his entire career who pushed the limits and dominated the best fields in history? Or the nobody that suddenly turned unbeatable who is supposedly competing in a "clean" sport? No one is naive enough to believe athletics is less dirty than it ever was. Especially with Britan running the pharmacy.

Seriously, has 5/10k track been fun to watch since 2011? (Excepting today's 10k-- Mo's very last one... Yay what a legacy!) Jesus he's top-10 in the 1500m by accident!

(I think Bekele is clean btw.)

Was very tempted to go against him in the letsrun.com competition. But then I remembered....MO DOESN'T LOSE. Still hate him.

Devil Dog wrote:

EASILY the GOAT

Three teams of nations threw everything they could at him, and he still beat them with ease in a 26:49 race.

That's as good as it gets.

That was Mo's big FU to all the nitwits here that said he couldn't win in a sub 27:00 race. That he was too old. He couldn't kick off that pace. etc.

Lol, FU hatin fools.

Turn Mo into a pssed off "underdog," and he schools you arm chair experts.

Ha. Ha.