Laweyrs of LRC: Symmonds wants jail time for dopers - how would this work?

luv2run wrote:

In theory bodybuilders at your local gym can go to jail for steroid use. However, it is more likely the person selling the steroids will go to jail.

In theory? So, these roid muscle heads possessing & using a Schedule III Controlled Substance are not being prosecuted to the full extent of the law?

Who do these "holier-than-thou" roid-using bodybuilders think they are? They can snub their noses at the law while the rest of us good, honest Joe's abide by the law?

Stop this nonsense!

No prescription for steriods/testosterone - No Mercy!....full prosecution!

Time for change!

Mostly white.

Unfair World with Roid-Users wrote:

Who do these "holier-than-thou" roid-using bodybuilders think they are? They can snub their noses at the law while the rest of us good, honest Joe's abide by the law?

Stop this nonsense!

No prescription for steriods/testosterone - No Mercy!....full prosecution!

Time for change!

Jeff Wigand wrote:

If USADA had wanted to protect Ajee Wilson's reputation, there would have been no public announcement about anything. But they followed procedure and now a significant percentage of the fanbase thinks she's a cheater.

C'mon man! She just got a slap on the wrist and is allowed to compete! And a significant percentage of her fanbase still think's she's wonderful, including the announcers covering T&F.

Rainbows & Marshmallows 😆

fraud wrote:

What? You serious? USADA should've banned Rollins for running away from her tester in the airport (no Olympics for her, at least two years ban back then already), but conveniently judged that as an inadvertently missed test.

Wilson got away with doping. Point made. Rupp got away with "testosterone medication" and at minimum with using a prohibited method. And don't get me started on Salazar.

So much for not going easy, lol.

Attaboy Fraud! Great points made 👍.

I think Jeff Wigand is misguided and drinking the kool-aid 😁

American athlete's are making a mockery of the system!

Time for a change? Probably not! 😉

Isn't Geb giving guys jail time in Ethiopia?

Target the wrote:

How would it work?

Innocent masters and amateur track athletes behind bars on false positives or mix-ups, while the pros who cheat do what they've always done.

Even clean amateurs will stop attending track meets because of the chance of a mix-up or false positive.

Then what about the good, honest masters/senoirs that are trying to compete clean? I'm an old stiff with chronic injuries trying to duke it out with some of these PED-using

oldsters masquerading as anti-aging wonders. Look at these two recent cases:

These two were setting the world on fire - unbelievable speed here for their age!

One gets a major reduction from 4 yrs to 20 mos, and other from 4 to 3.5 yrs.

Where's the lifetime ban?

They're making a mockery out of us clean old timers who are struggling to do this gig without PEDs!

USADA can assume a level of corruption that forever tarnishes a champion's reputation and bans that champion for a year without worrying about leaks of their coordinated plan instead of forever tarnishing that athlete's reputation with a two year ban, but they can't forget the whole thing because of the risk of a leak?

Synthetic estrogen.

What's wrong about the information? This hormone is used in beef. Is the few parts per billion in her urine wrong? Is her testing history wrong?

USADA has sunk the reputations of American track stars with bigger names than Wilson's. That convinces me that they don't care who someone is when the test results come back. Why should I believe you over them?

How many people are involved in deciding that she gets a disqualified result only instead of getting the book thrown at her? What makes them decide for this instead of a ban?

I didn't know they had all the evidence.

Unfair World with Dopers wrote:

fraud wrote:

What? You serious? USADA should've banned Rollins for running away from her tester in the airport (no Olympics for her, at least two years ban back then already), but conveniently judged that as an inadvertently missed test.

Wilson got away with doping. Point made. Rupp got away with "testosterone medication" and at minimum with using a prohibited method. And don't get me started on Salazar.

So much for not going easy, lol.

Attaboy Fraud! Great points made 👍.

I think Jeff Wigand is misguided and drinking the kool-aid 😁

American athlete's are making a mockery of the system!

Time for a change? Probably not! 😉

I'm wondering since when LetsRun have become the emoji site....😁🤑🙃

Damn wrote:

I'm wondering since when LetsRun have become the emoji site....😁🤑🙃

It's called using a smartphone instead of sitting at, or dragging around a laptop 👍😉

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Free Advice wrote:

If I recall, Alberto Salazar was experimenting with different doses of drugs on his son in order to chart what levels they could use without getting busted. What drug(s) were they using? I can't believe that the DEA didn't at least check that out. If they were prescription drugs, then jail time might have been the result.

IIRC, the ones requiring prescriptions had prescriptions from the doc down in Houston

Yeah, you're right, they probably did have prescriptions. Of course, they had to go to Houston to find a doctor to write the prescriptions. There must not be any qualified doctors associated with Nike, U of Oregon, or in the entire state of Oregon. Way to go, Obamacare.[/quote]

You really think that is a good use of the federal goverment's time?[/quote]

You ask if that is a good use of the government's time. Sure, why not? Minor drug busts of a bunch of nobodys don't get publicity. A drug bust of some major athletes would get tons of positive publicity for the agency that did it. It would also send a strong message to those using, or contiplating using PEDs. Instead of some toothless track auditing agency calling the shots it would be the feds. A suspension from competing is one thing, serving that suspension in jail is another.

To answer your question, yes, get the feds involved. It would clean up pretty fast.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

What's wrong about the information? This hormone is used in beef. Is the few parts per billion in her urine wrong? Is her testing history wrong?

There's another perspective from this article with some good questions:

"But there are a bunch of perplexing things about this incident—zeranol is very commonly used in beef production, so why haven’t there been more positive drug tests? Isn’t zeranol an estrogen, thus not a very useful PED? Why is zeranol even on WADA’s banned list? It’s amazing that doping controls that are often criticized for not being sensitive or sophisticated enough could pick up such a trace amount of zeranol. Looking for answers, I got hold of sport scientist Ross Tucker and USADA."

I never said anything about a conspiracy theory, just about, I cite: "easy going".

The examples given prove that easy going attitude, such as counting running away as an inadvertently missed test (Rollins), or showing up for arbitration without an expert and unprepared (Wilson).

If you had followed the case, you'd know. It was not USADA deciding on Wilson... but yeah, keep asking stupid questions that reveal you not paying any attention whatsoever.

You did. You stated that USADA was able to give Rollins and Wilson less than the course of justice due to them for their infractions. You wrote that they couldn't sweep it under the rug entirely because of the risk of whistleblowers. Who made these decisions?

Link to anything from USADA that says Wilson's case went to arbitration.

Where did I write about a conspiracy? I wrote about USADA going easy on dopers, no more, no less.

But you are correct RE arbitration: that was when Gil Roberts got away after testing positive, Wilson even got away without arbitration. Mea culpa. Can't remember all details of all the US drug cheats' cases.

So, what we learned this year about US athletes:

- Ajee Wilson tested positive and received no ban;

- Gil Roberts tested positive and received no ban;

- Brianna Rollins ran away from her tester and received no ban for that (but was banned later after the third "inadvertently" missed test).

But by all means, keep telling yourself that USADA is tough on dopers.

USADA is not exactly far away from track and field. The Chair of its Board of Directors is Ed Moses, yes indeed, the unbeatable track star of the dirty 80s.

luv2run wrote:

fraud wrote:

^This. As long as USADA and USATF etc. prefer winning medals (see Wilson, Rollins, Rupp, Jager etc. etc.) over limiting doping at home, nothing will change here.

Winning medals or not winning medals is not USADA's care.

USADA was established because previously the USOC handled drug testing and the conflict of interest was clear. It did not benefit the USOC to suspend an athlete likely to bring home several medals.

Free Advice wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

IIRC, the ones requiring prescriptions had prescriptions from the doc down in Houston

Yeah, you're right, they probably did have prescriptions. Of course, they had to go to Houston to find a doctor to write the prescriptions. There must not be any qualified doctors associated with Nike, U of Oregon, or in the entire state of Oregon. Way to go, Obamacare.

You really think that is a good use of the federal goverment's time?[/quote]

You ask if that is a good use of the government's time. Sure, why not? Minor drug busts of a bunch of nobodys don't get publicity. A drug bust of some major athletes would get tons of positive publicity for the agency that did it. It would also send a strong message to those using, or contiplating using PEDs. Instead of some toothless track auditing agency calling the shots it would be the feds. A suspension from competing is one thing, serving that suspension in jail is another.

To answer your question, yes, get the feds involved. It would clean up pretty fast.[/quote]

OK. You and I simply disagree over whether this is a valuable use of federal government time and resources.

I really, really don't think anybody is going to go to jail for giving medication prescribed to them to anybody else in their family, regardless of if it was used for some PED related purpose.

Anything we can do to get more people in prison in the US would be great! That's what this country is missing to make it great again.

If you put people in prison for doping you make doping even more powerful assuming less people do it. If less people do it there is less money going to controls, which means more people will dope. Meanwhile you're going to feel like a fool when years later we have people in prison for taking substances that are no longer prohibited and everyone is using.

At times caffeine has been banned, alcohol is banned in certain sports, party drugs are banned. You really think you're going to get a conviction on this stuff? Symmomds is an attention whore that needs to move on. Does he realize his company sells a product that would have landed him in jail at some point in the past if dopers were locked up? I thought D3 grads were smart.

Selectively?

I know you're upset about this but what specifically upsets you?

Do you think that USADA is lying about their findings?

Do you think that USADA is right about their findings but is coming to the wrong conclusions?

Do you think that USADA is right about their findings and is coming to the right conclusions but that there shouldn't be a no fault rule?

Why not go easy on her and accept her explanation for one of the three missed tests? If your answer is that it's too risky, how is this the case for three missed tests but not "running away from a test" earlier in the year? Was it risky to decide against prosecuting her for refusing a test, as you say they should have?

Justin Gatlin, Lashawn Merritt and Tyson Gay were all handed multi-year bans. Could USADA have found bigger US track stars to torpedo?

Yes. As there is no conspiracy, just a general easy going attitude, it is somewhat a question of luck as to who is working whose case.

I am not really upset. I just think this self-policing (e.g., USADA on US athletes) is wrong and counter-productive. Just look at these recent USADA decisions: now one can use one more PED in addition to clenbuterol and blame the meat, and one more PED and blame cold medicine, and one can quickly walk away from the tester through security at the airport, citing precedence.

Ironically, USADA argued in the Roberts case differently than in Wilson's, claiming that the low drug concentration is a function of the days passed since ingestion...

Didn't Gay receive a reduction by "collaboration" without revealing anything?

Merritt also received a reduction of his sentence.

And Gatlin? Oh boy. He got both of his sentences reduced...

Drug cheats like them shouldn't get or keep sponsors and fans, but they do, demonstrating how dirty our sport is and how little sponsors and fans care.