Laweyrs of LRC: Symmonds wants jail time for dopers - how would this work?

He's also a fraud. Shaving his armpit.

Oh. And his an Idiot. An "achieved nothing significant in his career" athlete is jealous of other athletes. He misses the attention.

Symmonds is desperate for money. Make another tattoo and let us be.

In Retrospect, Yeah wrote:

Bodybuilders can take steroids and not go to jail. Runners can take steroids too. Should they go to jail if they get caught?

Yes...they could go to jail for possession in some states. Recall that Congress passed the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 1990 making anabolic steroids & testosterone a schedule III controlled substance. That means no prescription = a federal offense for possessing a controlled substance.

However, states have decided penalties for possession; some mandatory sentencing, others probation:

So, it's an egregious situation with these dopers who are using steroids & T without a prescription. Not only are they cheating & breaking WADA rules for using banned substances, but they're violating Federal & State law!

If they test positive they should also be prosecuted under the Anabolic Controlled Substance Act!

These dopers get away with everything!

Time for change!

Yes, the war on drugs is clearly working and what we need is more of it...

Unfair World with Dopers wrote:

So, it's an egregious situation with these dopers who are using steroids & T without a prescription. Not only are they cheating & breaking WADA rules for using banned substances, but they're violating Federal & State law!

If they test positive they should also be prosecuted under the Anabolic Controlled Substance Act!

These dopers get away with everything!

Time for change!

fraud wrote:

This. As long as USADA and USATF etc. prefer winning medals (see Wilson, Rollins, Rupp, Jager etc. etc.) over limiting doping at home, nothing will change here.

They just banned Rollins for a year. Her current status doesn't support your case that USADA is going easy on American stars.

You think USADA is going easy on these people. You are misinformed. USADA has had Rupp and Salazar under its lens for years. It's why Rupp is tested over and over again.

If USADA had wanted to protect Ajee Wilson's reputation, there would have been no public announcement about anything. But they followed procedure and now a significant percentage of the fanbase thinks she's a cheater.

Unfair World with Dopers wrote:

Then make it illegal in the U.S.!

We shouldn't have dopers like Armstrong with tens of millions of dollars living the life of the rich & famous while the rest of us have to work for an honest living!

Dopers have benefited too much from their ill-gotten gains!

Time for change...Congress do something about this!

I'm not convinced the threat of prison would have much impact on doping in the US. About 5000 people in the US are convicted of murder each year, in spite of the risk of lifetime incarceration or capital punishment.

NS should do jail time for being such a DB

The real issue isn't the users but the pushers...those that pressure and supply PEDs are the ones who should do the jail time. The users should just be band and forced to repay any winnings / sponsorship $$$s made through the usage of PEDs.

There's more than one sport ....

Why are athletes always claiming that they were defrauded of money. Isn't it the fans who were the ultimate victims of this fraud?

Here are the required Elements of fraud:

* Misrepresentation of a material fact

* Knowledge on the part of the accused that they were misrepresenting the fact

* The misrepresentation was made purposefully, with the intent of fooling the victim

* The victim believed the misrepresentation and relied upon it

* The victim suffered damages as a result of the misrepresentation

if you lose out on a medal to a doper and you had a performance clause in your contract you would have been defrauded, they would argue

It's much tougher to argue and demonstrate that fans have suffered damages. Note damages has a much tighter legal definition than what you millennials would consider "damaged"

Jeff Wigand wrote:

fraud wrote:

This. As long as USADA and USATF etc. prefer winning medals (see Wilson, Rollins, Rupp, Jager etc. etc.) over limiting doping at home, nothing will change here.

They just banned Rollins for a year. Her current status doesn't support your case that USADA is going easy on American stars.

You think USADA is going easy on these people. You are misinformed.

What? You serious? USADA should've banned Rollins for running away from her tester in the airport (no Olympics for her, at least two years ban back then already), but conveniently judged that as an inadvertently missed test.

Wilson got away with doping. Point made. Rupp got away with "testosterone medication" and at minimum with using a prohibited method. And don't get me started on Salazar.

So much for not going easy, lol.

Is this criminal or civil fraud?For civil fraud it would have to be an athlete bringing a suit against another athlete. That may be a possibility in very rare cases (think Suze F-H vs. Regina Jacobs) but in most cases it will be practically impossible for athletes to sue and recover from an athlete from another country.

beer bong til it hurts wrote:

Here are the required Elements of fraud:

* Misrepresentation of a material fact

* Knowledge on the part of the accused that they were misrepresenting the fact

* The misrepresentation was made purposefully, with the intent of fooling the victim

* The victim believed the misrepresentation and relied upon it

* The victim suffered damages as a result of the misrepresentation

if you lose out on a medal to a doper and you had a performance clause in your contract you would have been defrauded, they would argue

It's much tougher to argue and demonstrate that fans have suffered damages. Note damages has a much tighter legal definition than what you millennials would consider "damaged"

Anyway, I think it there were a move to criminalize doping, the biggest change would not be the punishments (I think it unlikely that we would send people to jail for sports doping) but the ability of authorities to use the tools of law enforcement (subpoenas, search warrants) to investigate.

The big issue with the idea of jail time for dopers is that WADA and USADA are too incompetent to prove most cases to the standards required for a criminal conviction. "We never caught him, but we're sure he did it" has been the basis of a lot of the high profile doping cases.

Until the anti-doping agencies elect to be better at their job than the dopers, criminalization of doping is a non-starter. We can't criminalize something if we are incapable of producing actual hard evidence of the crime.

It wouldn't. He's an idiot.

I always wonder when a person who retires suddenly calls for lifetime bans.

Just 'cause Symmonds tweets another poorly reasoned opinion...doesn't mean you have to start a thread about.

About .0000000000001 percent of the population care about doping in track.

Vancomycin wrote:

https://twitter.com/NickSymmonds/status/891727982447927296

and

https://twitter.com/NickSymmonds/status/891734454842019840

I understand there could be civil liabilities if the sponsorship/endorsement/meet entry contracts require negative testing. But how could there possibility be criminal charges for PED use?

Moreover if there were laws, how would things like TUEs and drug classification be standardized country to country?

Seems like a stupid idea to me. Lifetime ban and fines are more than enough.

All Nick wants is media attention and we will probably see more of this type of banter to get eyes on him. Career is over on the track . Run Gum venture is eating up his funds, if he cant sell it soon he will close the brand down.

He will be among americas unemployed.

Next logical avenue? Given his mouth and twitter capabilities he should run for some type of political office.

How would it work?

Innocent masters and amateur track athletes behind bars on false positives or mix-ups, while the pros who cheat do what they've always done.

Even clean amateurs will stop attending track meets because of the chance of a mix-up or false positive.