Male throwers have lower testosterone levels than racewalkers and marathon runners, study shows.

Maybe the throwers are less likely to be micro dosing. I mean, Rupp and Farrah probably have artificial enhanced testosterone levels thanks to doping and they both had twins, I believe.

T concentration vs. total T in the blood (they are a lot bigger). That might make a difference. Does it?

Actually, no. if anything borderline low T concentration in elite athletes, especially strength and power athletes, generally means foul play.People don't seem to know that when Gatlin was busted back in 2006, it was because his sample came back with abnormaly low testosterone levels,hence they then ran a CIR (carbon isotope ratio) test on the sample.In fact one of the original hypothesis of the researchers involved in this was that these lower concentrations were due to higher prevalence of doping :

One explanation could be the higher prevalence of doping with exogenous androgens in this subgroup. Indeed, it has been reported that oral administration of androgens decreases both T (a well-known withdrawal phenomenon experienced when the athletes are approaching competitions and associated urinary anti-doping tests) and SHBG concentrations. Recently, Rasmussen et al showed that a significant proportion of former androgen abusers exhibit moderately or notably lowered testosterone levels years after cessation of androgen abuse.

But since they came back without decreased LH levels , that might be due to other cause. if you have access to the study , you'll see that other subgroups (sprinters, jumpers,middle distance, long distance runners, walkers and decathlete) have normal T and LH levels, it is just that throwers had lower levels.

I think that what separate throwers are their singular levels of bodyfat, which is probably why strength training is pointless for wellness if you don't control your bf levels.

Exthrowers are known to have high testosterone levels inside their mouths, as they get their T straight from the tap, brother.

That's 'cause they lose some every time they grunt.

Its because they are no longer on steroids for the study. Their bodies production of it has started to shut down because of years of steroid use. When they did the study they went off steroids so the wouldn't get caught.

Little Doper wrote:

Maybe the throwers are less likely to be micro dosing. I mean, Rupp and Farrah probably have artificial enhanced testosterone levels thanks to doping and they both had twins, I believe.

Male athletes taking T causes twins huh?

I guess those mass monsters used too much roids and their natural t levels plummeted.

Good thread here:http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=6612562Basically if you have fraternal twins due to certain fertility treatments there is a slight chance the need for the treatments might be due to doping. Could also be just a coincidence, like Kara Goucher being the rightful silver medal winner in 2007, even though she was running for a coach she now claims is crooked.

i'll bite wrote:

Little Doper wrote:

Maybe the throwers are less likely to be micro dosing. I mean, Rupp and Farrah probably have artificial enhanced testosterone levels thanks to doping and they both had twins, I believe.

Male athletes taking T causes twins huh?

The knower fo things wrote:

Its because they are no longer on steroids for the study. Their bodies production of it has started to shut down because of years of steroid use. When they did the study they went off steroids so the wouldn't get caught.

Didn't I actually read that somewhere? I think the IAAF people even speculated that. OR did I read it on the boards?

Throwers levels are lower as you produce less when you have doped in the past. Is that true?

rojo wrote:

The knower fo things wrote:

Its because they are no longer on steroids for the study. Their bodies production of it has started to shut down because of years of steroid use. When they did the study they went off steroids so the wouldn't get caught.

Didn't I actually read that somewhere? I think the IAAF people even speculated that. OR did I read it on the boards?

Throwers levels are lower as you produce less when you have doped in the past. Is that true?

You might have read it in the very first post on this thread at the LetsRun.com . forum.

Did you read the first post on this thread before making your post?

Look at the first post on this thread and read it.

Did you read and understand this part of the very first post on this thread???

"One explanation could be the higher prevalence of doping with exogenous androgens in this subgroup. Indeed, it has been reported that oral administration of androgens decreases both T (a well-known withdrawal phenomenon experienced when the athletes are approaching competitions and associated urinary anti-doping tests) and SHBG concentrations. Recently, Rasmussen et al showed that a significant proportion of former androgen abusers exhibit moderately or notably lowered testosterone levels years after cessation of androgen abuse."

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That would be a good explanation, however as it is written in the study :

Secondly, if it was due to PED abuse, thrower subgroup would not be the only one coming back with low T levels.

The more likely explanation :

studyshows wrote:

Actually, no. if anything borderline low T concentration in elite athletes, especially strength and power athletes, generally means foul play.

People don't seem to know that when Gatlin was busted back in 2006, it was because his sample came back with abnormaly low testosterone levels,hence they then ran a CIR (carbon isotope ratio) test on the sample.

Actually gatlin and many other athletes have naturally low T in their urine, he is what is referred to as a low-mode individual. It is a genetic condition (not really a disease) and not the result of cheating. In these individuals there is slightly more headroom to dope before hitting a 4:1 ratio of T:E so the CIR test is commonly used. Im not saying gatlin did or didnt cheat but your example isn't a good one.

You can rwad about it in this article here if you care

rojo wrote:

Didn't I actually read that somewhere? I think the IAAF people even speculated that. OR did I read it on the boards?

Throwers levels are lower as you produce less when you have doped in the past. Is that true?

Yes, I believe your body gets used to having a lot of testosterone without having to make it, and then it doesn't learn to start making more testosterone once you stop doping. You then wind up with very low testosterone levels.

I speculate this is why Bruce Jenner became a woman....

If my nuts were squished by big fat thighs, they wouldn't produce much T either.

Also, having to wear compression shorts all the time is not good for production.

They probably have higher levels of body fat and body fat produces an estrogen analog

Big ol richard wrote:

You can rwad about it in this article here if you care

Please don't promote anything that clown has written.

Too funny, as if Kara might have been clean.

btt, Rupp was caught with suspiciously high T level before Rio, as mentioned in the leaked USADA report. Of course covered up at the time...

studyshows wrote:

Isn't throwing training basically strength training ? Shouldn't we observe the reverse?

But they are taking exogeneous androgens. These are much more powerful than natural testosterone production.