Caster going for the double!

I made no argument for ignoring anything.I merely pointed out that the assertion made in the post was false.

Alactic wrote:

Testing for drugs is also a "relatively recent invention". Should we ignore doping also?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

This is not at all true.

There was no provision even decades ago, to test testosterone levels and allow somebody to compete if they were under a thresh hold. This was a relatively recent invention.

Got to have some balls to try the double......

Keep thinking the world is simple if you want to.

Alactic wrote:

Have you discovered a third sex chromosome?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Sex is not binary. These decisions would all be a lot easier if it was.

Alactic wrote:

Either the "Y" chromosome is present or it's not. Sex is binary. Gender is a political concept, designed to manipulate power.

Sex or gender?

How about moving beyond the binary? Say to genotype, phenotype and gender. What's going on in this case is that the "Y" chromosome includes a range of phenotypes.

Also, it's pretty simplistic to say gender is "designed." Much about gender is "the result of human action, but not of human design." That does not mean it doesn't affect power, only that nobody designed it to affect power.

whats kinda funny if you only read the title

"Caster going for the double!"

it prob wouldnt get as many views as kim k's sex tape, but i bet it would still get lots of views....and it would put an end to this "he/she" argument. if she got double penetrated in a vagina she is s she. if it turns out she has a trump sized mirco pen!s, and gets the double stuff in the buns hole, then we know she is truly a man, bigger muscles than 90% of the LR douche bags and the same size of micro haha

donearun0 wrote:

Got to have some balls to try the double......

Sure does. In related news, did you read that Caster's wife is pregnant? Very ballsy.

Those of you who argue for "multiple shades of gray" are essentially arguing that having any category other than "human" is discriminatory. As long as you are comfortable with eliminating the binary "men" and "women" categories across the board, I will at least respect your consistency.

Sex is not binary. I don't have a good, complete answer for how to preserve the binary nature of sports categories but simply pretending there is no complexity to sex is not a good starting point.

Alactic wrote:

Those of you who argue for "multiple shades of gray" are essentially arguing that having any category other than "human" is discriminatory. As long as you are comfortable with eliminating the binary "men" and "women" categories across the board, I will at least respect your consistency.

COACH J.S å ä ö wrote:

Hi Cuan! :) To me she (even if she sounds like a man) seems to be suited just for the 800 at the moment. She looks a little bit too "heavy" for the 400 and 1500 right now. We will see what happens. Anyway it`s interesting to see her at 1500 also.

COACH J.S

Just looking at her build and her mostly 400.800 type training, I question her aerobic fitness. I think she might struggle with a 4 minute pace from the gun, but I can see her running a 60 second last lap off of a tactical pace.

So you would rather chew like a rat on the foundation of an existing structure than begin building a new one. Sounds typical of politically-"energized" SJWs. Incapable of building anything up, just tear down instead.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Sex is not binary. I don't have a good, complete answer for how to preserve the binary nature of sports categories but simply pretending there is no complexity to sex is not a good starting point.

Alactic wrote:

Those of you who argue for "multiple shades of gray" are essentially arguing that having any category other than "human" is discriminatory. As long as you are comfortable with eliminating the binary "men" and "women" categories across the board, I will at least respect your consistency.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Sex is not binary. I don't have a good, complete answer for how to preserve the binary nature of sports categories but simply pretending there is no complexity to sex is not a good starting point.

Which is why they need to remove gender from sports. Call it like it is: Category A and Category B. And do not fund them equally, because since when should a tier 2 class of athlete make as much as the best athletes? It's absurd.

Category A is open to those who think they can compete with the best, and you can all decide how to qualify to compete in Category B, but it won't matter much as there will be no money in it so it will dwindle away to nothing eventually. As it should.

Thanks Caster, for highlighting the inferiority of women athletes. Testicles > Ovaries.

The William's sisters are all-girl, hips, T&A are signs of an abundance of female hormones. In fact, both of them are straight and have had numerous relationships with men. Not a good example.

kenian pride wrote:

what does kenian pride even mean? pride that kenia is a hellhole?

Actually spelt K-E-N-Y-A, O illiterate message board hater. It's the most beautiful country I know, and I've been around. Care to share which country you're from so I can give my opinion of it? Come on now, don't be shy. Surely, you can't be ashamed, can you?

Just to be completely scientific about this. Caster is a hermaphrodite. Neither completely male or completely female. A mix of male and female. Stop the ridiculous arguing either way, and just state the truth. The truth being that Caster is a hermaphrodite!

yes...but she is not a chick with a d*ck, or a dude with boobs. she is a chick with a vagina and internal undeveloped testes. these testes create more testosterone than what a "average" woman has, but its still way below what a "average" man produces.

so many times i have asked to see what the T levels are for the top woman and top men and compare to caster.

i bet caster has less T than a juiced up marion jones did, i bet she has less T than serena williams, i bet she has less T than some of the pro women throwers out there, and i bet she has less T than rousey.

fancy bears prob leaked all this sort of data and no one is looking at it. what is schippers T level? what is bolts T levels?

all we hear is that casters has higher T than "average" women. but she is in pro track and field...what is the T level for the olympic caliber female?

The question then is how does one get the playing field as level as possible? Do we create a hermaphrodite division? Do we allow women to do testosterone therapy to get on level with a hermaphrodite like Caster? These are the kinds of questions that come to mind. I have nothing against Caster, but it's obvious that Caster has a clear advantage that seems unfair to the women in the race.

not when you consider that Ajee is taking steroids and getting the AR and barely losing. or consider the women who were juiced to the gills and ran 1:53-54 20+ years ago. looks like they had more T floating around in their systems than caster.

what will people do if Ajee wins? she got caught and made a lame excuse and no one cares.

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletics/u-s-s-r/nadezhda-olizarenko-1151/1980-olympic-games-800m-gold-medal_a09356/

this chick ran 1:53.43.....#2 all time, but you guys are complaining about a herm running 1:56 at her best? thats 3 seconds away!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emKCD1-8JZc

imagine if girls ran a 56 first 400 now? but nooooo they all go out in 58-59.....come on

mindweak wrote:

yes...but she is not a chick with a d*ck, or a dude with boobs. she is a chick with a vagina and internal undeveloped testes. these testes create more testosterone than what a "average" woman has, but its still way below what a "average" man produces.

so many times i have asked to see what the T levels are for the top woman and top men and compare to caster.

all we hear is that casters has higher T than "average" women. but she is in pro track and field...what is the T level for the olympic caliber female?

FALSE. This info is readily available and does not agree with your ridiculous statements.

Normal elite female athlete (n=800+) = 0.69 nmol/L

99th percentile elite female = 3 nmol/L

IAAF cutoff (now suspended by CAS) = 10 nmol/L

Elite females with known DSDs (n=10) ranged from 15-29 nmol/L

(Unclear whether Caster was one of these however since all data was from Daegu, we could speculate she was in this group of 10, see reference below. )

Normal Male range 10-40 nmol/L

So here is all the data you seek and you are utterly wrong.

Female elite data:

Normal males (first ref I could pull, there are many other)

You're making my point for me. Let the women legally dope so they can compete with Caster and the like. As it is Wilson is getting on level with Caster, Niyonsaba, etc... by most likely doping. Make this legal and the problem is somewhat solved. I know it gets more complicated than this, but something needs to be done to somewhat level the playing field. I was eating at a local bar and grill during the women's Olympic 800m final last summer. I began discussing a bit too loudly the Caster Controversy with my girlfriend. Most people sitting near us agreed that Caster had a clear and unfair advantage.